Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Antiganon]

Do you people believe Trump as a president was worse than George W. Bush

Without a doubt.

Bush was a terrible president, don't get me wrong, but Trump is far worse in every way imaginable expect involving us in never ending foreign wars.

[YUPPIE]

Without a doubt.

Bush was a terrible president, don't get me wrong, but Trump is far worse in every way imaginable expect involving us in never ending foreign wars.

what did bush do better because the last bit sounds like straight up **evil.** At worst, Trump can be said to be incompetent but evil is debatable unless someone can reason otherwise

[Benggaul]

Do you guys buy your fish in bulk or is keeping it fed just worth it at any price?

[Machismo]

what did bush do better because the last bit sounds like straight up **evil.** At worst, Trump can be said to be incompetent but evil is debatable unless someone can reason otherwise

He was better at not being a white supremacist.

[kaelleria]

what did bush do better because the last bit sounds like straight up **evil.** At worst, Trump can be said to be incompetent but evil is debatable unless someone can reason otherwise

Didn't literally commit genocide.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...ca-ncna1240238
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-wo...poor-treatment
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ia-immigration

Didn't kidnap kids
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...6ed_story.html

Didn't knowingly botch the pandemic response so poorly we've lost more Americans from COVID than every war since WW2 (we'll pass that in about a month too).

[postman1782]

Do you people believe Trump as a president was worse than George W. Bush

Yes, next ridiculous question sealion.

[Kaleredar]

I mean, a lot of them see Rorschach as a big hero too, so are we surprised?

And on that same token, a lot of these alt-right 4-chan/anonymous internet shitbirds see themselves and Trump represented by V from V for Vendetta... you know, the guy that fought against a xenophobic, ultra-religious, anti-gay, patriarchal, authoritarian regime headed by a corrupt leader swamped in a cult of personality.

yeah, they think they're the heroes in that story.

[PhaelixWW]

CNN: Federal judge says new DACA rules are invalid

Chad Wolf was not legally serving as acting Homeland Security secretary when he signed rules limiting applications and renewals for the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, and those rules are now invalid, a federal judge ruled Saturday.

Wolf in July issued a memo saying that new applications for DACA, the Obama-era program that shields undocumented immigrants who came to the US as children from deportation, would not be accepted and renewals would be limited to one year instead of two amid an ongoing review.

The ruling is another defeat for the Trump administration, which is now unlikely to be able to address DACA and the fate of Dreamers. The administration tried ending the program in 2017, but the US Supreme Court blocked their attempt in June. The memo invalidated on Saturday had sought to buy time while the administration decided its next steps. The President has been successful in achieving many immigration limits, but it has not been able to significantly dismantle DACA, the now eight-year-old program.

Saturday's ruling would be subject to appeal if the US government chooses to do so.

There have been previous questions over the legality of Wolf's appointment. The Trump administration has renewed a push to get Wolf confirmed before Inauguration Day; he is currently serving in an acting capacity.

In the past week, Homeland Security officials spoke to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell's office about bringing the nomination to a floor vote in the coming weeks -- a move seemingly acknowledging both a forthcoming change in administrations and criticism that Wolf's appointment was invalid.

Over the course of Donald Trump's presidency, DHS -- the third-largest federal department -- has had five secretaries, only two of whom have been confirmed by the Senate, and has run into a flurry of questions over the legitimacy and authority of those leading in acting capacities.

The Government Accountability Office issued a report in August saying Wolf's appointment was part of an invalid order of succession.

A federal judge in Maryland also ruled that Wolf was likely serving unlawfully.

Without confirmation, Wolf's appointment -- and policies rolled out during his tenure -- will continue to face questions.

McConnell spokesman Doug Andres told CNN on Thursday that there are no scheduling updates or guidance "at the moment" in regards to his confirmation.

[YUPPIE]

Didn't literally commit genocide.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...ca-ncna1240238
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-wo...poor-treatment
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ia-immigration

Didn't kidnap kids
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...6ed_story.html
Didn't knowingly botch the pandemic response so poorly we've lost more Americans from COVID than every war since WW2 (we'll pass that in about a month too).

yeah that's pretty horrifying.

you know, a lot of places right now are violently protesting in the streets against dictators. If Trump's that evil, I'm surprised we haven't seen more past the BLM.

[Breccia]

CNN: Federal judge says new DACA rules are invalid

"I don't exist".

There needs to be more of this: consequences for just not enforcing laws you don't agree with, using people who were appointed without legal consent.

[Bodakane]

yeah that's pretty horrifying.

you know, a lot of places right now are violently protesting in the streets against dictators. If Trump's that evil, I'm surprised we haven't seen more past the BLM.

There was this thing....it was called an election....Trump lost it by 5 million votes in a record turnout.

[Adam Jensen]

Do you people believe Trump as a president was worse than George W. Bush

Until COVID, due to the Iraq war, I'd say no. Bush's wars were an unmitigated disaster for the middle east.

But then COVID happened and Trump let the virus wreck our nation while he golfed and claimed "it'd just go away."

Now 250,000 are dead, cases are rising exponentially and we'll have more dead by the New Year than the total sum of our war dead in all of WWII.

So yes, I think Trump is worse.

Also, Bush at the very least treated the office with decorum and had respect for our democracy, and while I'm sure that's a fat lot of comfort to a grieving widow in Iraq, it's more than what Trump could manage.

[PhaelixWW]

There was this thing....it was called an election....Trump lost it by 5 million votes in a record turnout.

I mean, it's already over 5.5m difference... so far. It'll almost certainly be over 6m, and probably closer to 6.5m difference by the time the votes are 100% tabulated.

I'm predicting an 80m vote total and a 6.5m vote lead for Biden at that point.

[Adam Jensen]

yeah that's pretty horrifying.

you know, a lot of places right now are violently protesting in the streets against dictators. If Trump's that evil, I'm surprised we haven't seen more past the BLM.

We're not going to fall for Trump's blusters and start protesting in the streets. Why would we? There's no way that rotten pumpkin is getting another term. He lost the election resoundingly, his court cases have failed. He's flailing.

[Machismo]

yeah that's pretty horrifying.

you know, a lot of places right now are violently protesting in the streets against dictators. If Trump's that evil, I'm surprised we haven't seen more past the BLM.

Why do you support all that?

[YUPPIE]

We're not going to fall for Trump's blusters and start protesting in the streets. Why would we? There's no way that rotten pumpkin is getting another term. He lost the election resoundingly, his court cases have failed. He's flailing.

with the rallies today and his refusal to concede power, it seems like he's trying to seat himself as a Lukashenko or permanently seated leader. Unless that's just plain doomed to fail, I've checked in every day to see how it goes.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/14/us/tr...ght/index.html

[draynay]

what did bush do better because the last bit sounds like straight up **evil.** At worst, Trump can be said to be incompetent but evil is debatable unless someone can reason otherwise

Check out this thread:
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...sed-Discussion

[Waniou]

Do you people believe Trump as a president was worse than George W. Bush

I mean, besides the usual "he's a Republican and I disagree with most of their policies", the worst thing GWB did was, as people said, the war in Iraq which was a complete mess based on false pretenses and should never have happened. Meanwhile, Trump probably would have done worse in a similar situation, and has done arguably just as terrible things like randomly withdrawing from the Middle East and leaving the Kurds to fend for themselves, on top of the absolute corruption, his complete inability to handle Covid which has now led to at least a quarter of a million American deaths.

I genuinely think the only US President who could be argued to be worse than Trump is Andrew Jackson and that's only because Jackson committed genocide against the Native American people and it's hard to top that.

[Corvus]

Do you people believe Trump as a president was worse than George W. Bush

Bush cared for the US and did what he thought best for it. Trump only cares for Trump and does what is best for Trump. He doesn't care about the US except as a piggy bank to loot.

You just have to look at the way Bush handled the handover to Obama compared to Trump's baby antics.

[Captain N]

And Trump's dangerous rhetoric about COVID-19 spreads to the state level GOP to the tune of failing to report an outbreak to anyone other than politicians on their side of the aisle in Minnesota.

https://www.startribune.com/memo-war...d-19/573072342

The news that GOP senators and staffers were warned that COVID was spreading in their ranks but DFLers were not was met with distress late Friday.

“It is outrageous and completely unacceptable that Senate DFLers were not notified of the recent COVID-19 outbreak among Senate Republicans prior to Thursday’s floor session,” Senate Minority Leader Susan Kent, DFL-Woodbury, said in a statement. “This lack of transparency is a blatant disregard for the health and safety of others: our DFL and nonpartisan staff, members, and the communities we go home to.”