If they made a new class in the future, what would it be?

[Deneios]

Due to engineering and gnome hunters able to tame mechanical pets tinkers exist in the game with the same reasoning you used for dark rangers. Tinker class fantasy is filled the same way.

[Hobbidaggy]

I think the next “class feature” we get will be cosmetic glyphs or whatever where we get one enhanced visual (not damage or gameplay only visual)
This will give people a rune master or dark ranger necromancer archdruid archmage etc etc
There are several specs which will be difficult like paladin or warrior and priest but I think some creative work from better qualified people can come up with a class and class visual with ease

[Ielenia]

+The Void Elf racial passive has a chance to imbue your abilities with Shadow magic for 12 seconds.

Mechagnomes' entire racial kit is tech-based.

+Void Elves can resemble undead elves via the new character customization options.

And any race can resemble tinkers using the right customization options.

+Hunters now have the ability to tame undead beasts.

Hunters have the ability to tame robots.

Therefore the tinker is already present through the right hunter customization.

[Teriz]

Due to engineering and gnome hunters able to tame mechanical pets tinkers exist in the game with the same reasoning you used for dark rangers. Tinker class fantasy is filled the same way.

Tinkers aren’t Hunters or Rangers. The point of the Tinker concept isn’t taming mechanical animals. The point of the Tinker is mech piloting.

The point of the Dark Ranger is a Hunter or Ranger that uses Shadow magic, hence the name. Void Elves fulfill that on multiple levels.

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Sylvanas and the Dark Rangers of Warcraft 3 didn't have undead beast pets. That wasn't a part of their Class identity at all.

And Hunter is still missing... ALL the gameplay of a Dark Ranger.

WC3 Black Arrow summoned undead minions, so it was sort of like having pets. Also Black Arrow in Legion summoned undead animals as guardians. Hunters can now have those undead guardians as permanent pets.

[Triceron]

WC3 Black Arrow summoned undead minions, so it was sort of like having pets. Also Black Arrow in Legion summoned undead animals as guardians. Hunters can now have those undead guardians as permanent pets.

That's like comparing Gnome and Hunter mecha pets to Pocket Factory. They're quite different mechanics.

Hunters aren't using any Black Arrows to make Dark Minions. There's zero Dark Ranger gameplay involved here on the Hunter.

[Teriz]

That's like comparing Gnome and Hunter mecha pets to Pocket Factory. They're quite different mechanics.

Hunters aren't using any Black Arrows to make Dark Minions. There's zero Dark Ranger gameplay involved here on the Hunter.

Again, Black Arrow in Legion summoned undead animal minions. The Dark Ranger talent did this as well. Now, instead of summoning undead animal minions via Black Arrow, they can simply tame them and use them permanently.

Additionally, if you want your abilities imbued with Shadow magic like a Dark Ranger, Void Elves provide that in a racial passive with a rather nice proc rate.

The Tinker has nothing to do with mechanical animals.

[Ielenia]

Again, Black Arrow in Legion summoned undead animal minions. The Dark Ranger talent did this as well. Now, instead of summoning undead animal minions via Black Arrow, they can simply tame them and use them permanently.

Dark rangers do not tame undead beasts. They raise humanoid undead. It's downright amazing the hypocrisy here, considering how much you like to hold onto the Warcraft 3 definitions as some kind of holy bible, and yet you constantly ignore the Warcraft 3 hero unit dark ranger.

Additionally, if you want your abilities imbued with Shadow magic like a Dark Ranger, Void Elves provide that in a racial passive with a rather nice proc rate.

Void magic =/= necromantic magic.

Just because both are categorized as "shadow magic" doesn't mean both are one and the same. You don't go around saying a lightning bolt and a rock hitting you are one and the same, do you? Because both are categorized as "nature magic".

The Tinker has nothing to do with mechanical animals.

And the dark ranger has nothing to do with undead animals.

[Triceron]

The Tinker has nothing to do with mechanical animals.

Mechanical pets are robots. Clockwork Goblins are also robots. That's the connection, you know, the same way you tied Undead animals to Dark Ranger Dark minions which were humanoid skeletons.

Hunter Black Arrow summoned Dark Minion animals you say? Yes, because animals are a part of the Hunter theme. Absolutely normal for a Hunter to have a Hunter themed ability.

[PsychoSe7eN]

mmo-champion.com/threads/2294389-New-Necromancer-Concept-2017

Seriously, who would not want this? Can't argue this would be awesome.

[Teriz]

Mechanical pets are robots. Clockwork Goblins are also robots. That's the connection, you know, the same way you tied Undead animals to Dark Ranger Dark minions which were humanoid skeletons.

I tied undead animals to the Dark Ranger theme because Blizzard tied them to undead beasts in WoW. They did it with the removed Dark Ranger talent, and Black Arrow in Legion. In both of those abilities an undead animal was summoned.

Hunter Black Arrow summoned Dark Minion animals you say? Yes, because animals are a part of the Hunter theme. Absolutely normal for a Hunter to have a Hunter themed ability.

They also did it with a talent literally called Dark Ranger;

Dark Ranger
Level 100 Marksmanship hunter talent
Passive
Your attacks now have a chance to summon a Dark Minion. The Dark Minion will taunt and attack your current target.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Dark_Ranger_(hunter_talent)


So yes, Blizzard tied undead beasts to Dark Rangers. They never tied mechanical animals to Tinkers.

[Ielenia]

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Dark_Ranger_(hunter_talent)


So yes, Blizzard tied undead beasts to Dark Rangers. They never tied mechanical animals to Tinkers.

False. Blizzard tried to do it, but they went back on that decision. That talent never made out of the Alpha.

[Teriz]

False. Blizzard tried to do it, but they went back on that decision. That talent never made out of the Alpha.

But Black Arrow DID make it to live, and also summoned Undead Beasts.

Also here was the cancelled Dark Ranger talent;



Notice the summoning of undead beasts....

[Triceron]

I tied undead animals to the Dark Ranger theme because Blizzard tied them to undead beasts in WoW.

When did they ever do that? Only Hunters had pets in WoW.

None of Sylvanas' Dark Rangers had any pets, and the only arguable one was Nathanos who was always a Hunter and a Hunter trainer who later became a Dark Ranger, so it made sense that he still had his dogs. He's quite a special case NPC though, and with his death there are no more Dark Rangers who have undead pets.

[Teriz]

When did they ever do that? Only Hunters had pets in WoW.

Like I said, they did it in Legion with 2 MM Hunter talents. One named for the Dark Ranger signature ability, the other literally called Dark Ranger. One made it to live, and one didn’t.

The point is that Blizzard tied Dark Rangers to undead beasts via those talents, and probably explains why they gave Hunters the ability to tame undead beasts in Shadowlands instead of creating a Dark Ranger class.

None of Sylvanas' Dark Rangers had any pets, and the only arguable one was Nathanos who was always a Hunter and a Hunter trainer who later became a Dark Ranger, so it made sense that he still had his dogs. He's quite a special case NPC though, and with his death there are no more Dark Rangers who have undead pets.

See above.

[Triceron]

Like I said, they did it in Legion with 2 MM Hunter talents. One made it to live, and one didn’t..

I think you are mistaken

You are talking about Hunters. You said Dark Rangers, and Dark Rangers aren't Hunters.

Hunters are Hunters. Hunters with a couple avilities from Dark Rangers are still Hunters. We don't call Druids a Priestess of the Moon just because they have Starfall, right?

[Teriz]

I think you are mistaken

You are talking about Hunters. You said Dark Rangers, and Dark Rangers aren't Hunters.

Clearly Blizzard doesn’t see a difference.

Hunters are Hunters. Hunters with a couple avilities from Dark Rangers are still Hunters. We don't call Druids a Priestess of the Moon just because they have Starfall, right?

We would if they had a talent called “Priestess of the Moon” that gave them Starfall.

[Ielenia]

But Black Arrow DID make it to live, and also summoned Undead Beasts.

Irrelevant. I specifically talking about the "Dark Ranger" talent.

Also here was the cancelled Dark Ranger talent;

Notice the summoning of undead beasts....

Irrelevant. The talent never made out of the Alpha stage of the expansion. Meaning Blizzard backed off on making that association.

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We would if they had a talent called “Priestess of the Moon” that gave them Starfall.

The talent never made out of the Alpha stage of development. That means Blizzard backed up on the association.

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Going back to the bard concept discussion, I found out two interesting abilities in WoW:

Crescendo, cast by Klotos; and Diminuendo, cast by Lakesis

And the reason they're interesting, is that "crescendo" and "diminuendo" are terms that specifically refer to music and sound.

[qwerty123456]

With antlers, HM Tauren are about 9.

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9 divided by 4 isn't 3 either ......

[Wolfrick]

It feels and looks like the next Class will be Necromacer, it would fit really well, and its a long long time comming ^^

[Triceron]

We would if they had a talent called “Priestess of the Moon” that gave them Starfall.

Warlocks had 'Glyph of Demon Hunting' and they were still Warlocks, as evidenced by the Demon Hunter class.

So if I'm correct, are you calling Hunters Dark Ranger based on a talent that never went live? Or based on the Dark Ranger ability that was removed? Or was it the NPC who had animal pets that was killed off? It's starting to get a little confusing.