Rares, a major problem with shadowlands.

[TbouncerT]

Guys... there's a reason I have OP on Ignore. Learn from my past mistakes. They don't want to hear arguments, they want you to agree with them.

Yeah after reading all their QQ posts, its making a lot of sense now. Got to "love" those types of people. Thanks for the good advice.

[FelPlague]

Yeah after reading all their QQ posts, its making a lot of sense now. Got to "love" those types of people. Thanks for the good advice.

What kinda person is that?

[terminaltrip421]

sweet, sweet tears of blizzard's most obnoxious apologist.

[Doffen]

I think the rares in Shadowlands are the best we have had in years. Actual stuff to collect and it is a lot of it.

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OMGerd a whole 6 months of farming 3 rares on one character daily.... I had a point where over a 4 year stretch I was running TK weekly on 10 characters for the damn mount... never got it. I don't even bother running it anymore except on a rare time that i'm utterly bored and still want to play WoW instead of logging onto another game, watching Hulu/Netflix or just going out and spending time away from my computer screen. I love how so many people on the forums use the word "forced", you aren't "forced" to do jack. There's nobody standing behind you with a gun to your head or the head of someone you love and telling you that "you will do this or else". YOU are CHOOSING to do whatever it is you are doing!!

Not really a rare, but I gave up on mimirons head 2 years ago after 8 years of farming, minus a couple of years in the middle.

Not worth the time anymore seeing I could just buy the meca mogul one then

[Kilpi]

Rares have been a problem since they became farmable punching bags.

[munkeyinorbit]

i got it on like my second kill on alpha, so i know it drops, i know that kinda shit happens, but the fact badluck protection does not exist on this shit, and is not like "kill the mob 10 times, get it for sure" is fucking garbage.

Is it though? It sounds like you just want the item for no effort at all.

[ThatsOurEric]

Unoriginal response

If it was a "guaranteed item" as you put it, you wouldn't need to kill the same mob every day now would you?

Congrats, you've just played yourself.

[cparle87]

Sounds like your just unlucky. Got the pack on my 5th bubble kill and the bonesaw on my 10th maybe. Some rares do suck but for the most part it's fine. I would rather spend 6 months killing a rare and not get anything then do what the crazies do for things like time lost.

Took the words right out of my mouth. As it stands literally the only rare drop I'm still missing is the second pet off Smorgas. I had the lion's share of stuff after a month, and most of it after two months. Besides things that were bugged forever like the blushing spiderling and just got fixed.

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Rares have been a problem since they became farmable punching bags.

Would you prefer the rares with 6 hours to upwards of a week spawns like we had in vanilla through Wrath with the same low drop chance?

[Kilpi]

Took the words right out of my mouth. As it stands literally the only rare drop I'm still missing is the second pet off Smorgas. I had the lion's share of stuff after a month, and most of it after two months. Besides things that were bugged forever like the blushing spiderling and just got fixed.

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Would you prefer the rares with 6 hours to upwards of a week spawns like we had in vanilla through Wrath with the same low drop chance?

Yes, because, you know, they are called "rares". I never had a problem with things like Time-Lost Proto Drake, I've never seen it alive, but I don't see that as a problem. Rares could have a spawn time randomized between 6 and 12 and it would be fine.

[Kathranis]

A choice between a super rare mob that is camped, or a daily “rare” that has a low drop rate? I’d take the daily. Sure, it might take a while but at least you have a chance, vs months or even years of camping.

Same here. It's rare in either case, but to me, being able to kill the rare when you have an opportunity to is definitely preferable to hoping it'll be there and nobody else will be camping it.

Also, the whole issue of realm hopping.

[Dazu]

This is just seems to be someone getting annoyed with bad RNG/Luck. It just happens to people, it sucks. I feel like it happens to me most of the time in WoW. When DS was relevant, it took my tank 27 weeks to get the shield i wanted to drop at all. I've been trying (still) to get Ashes of Al'ar (1.70% drop rate) for YEARS and still haven't got it, while my wife got it a few years ago. She still hasn't gotten the headless horseman mount (.4%) and she does that daily on multiple toons and I've had it for over 10 years now. I've done hundreds of Stratholme runs for Deathcharger's Reins (.8%) and still don't have it, while a co-worker got it on his 5th attempt. Sorry for the frustration, but that is just how it goes.

This. Before mounts were account wide my main a paladin never got a festival mount reward. My rogue got 3x brewfest kodos, my priest 2 headless horsemans mounts etc.

As for rares, this change was made because having a super rare mount with little chance to be spotted was horrible for the game, the fact blizzard continued that for 3 more expansions after it caused issues in vanilla is the best example of them ignoring the players, not the changes in the recent game. Atleast with the modern ones you can log in and attempt to get the item, and if it doesnt drop you can roll on and do something else. TLPD - Yeah have fun sitting for 4-8+ hours circling the same patch hoping the right dragon spawns and that you get to it first, only to see it spawn and miss it by 5 seconds to get the tag. Boy that made me love my time spent, sitting for 4 hours to gain absolutely nothing for my time and realising if I want a realistic chance id need to come back in another I think 4 hours at 3am and continue camping the same spot rather than actually playing the game...

That all said, Alani was a great method for rare. Have an item that you can combine over time to gain a rare reward, either by random drops or a static drop from said rare (say 20% drop rate for a item that when you collect 5-10 etc you can use to guarantee the drop).

[ohwell]

Sooooo you’re complaining that the rares are rarely dropping your rare item.....sounds kinda rare to me /shrug

Judging by the start of the thread I think they'd rather the rares be actually rare but guarantee a drop. That was the starting point about them not actually being rare but set spawns called rares. Usually a thesis comes first and/or last or makes you work to think about it. I'm guessing it was the whole rares aren't rare meaning if said kill was actually rare it would be hard to find, but actually a kill it and done thing.

[Dead Moose Fandango]

Meanwhile, here I am farming every rare for the aqir invasions back in BFA on multiple alts for a 2h transmog that's random off of all the aqir rares.

Sometimes, the cool things take a long time. It sucks, but that's why we call 'em RARE.

[ohwell]

Yes, because, you know, they are called "rares". I never had a problem with things like Time-Lost Proto Drake, I've never seen it alive, but I don't see that as a problem. Rares could have a spawn time randomized between 6 and 12 and it would be fine.

My issue with TLPD is that it's almost impossible now. Meanwhile something like Invincible is not as over time you're almost guaranteed it. They need to pretty much up the spawn of TLPD to current rare in shadowlands spawn rate or even faster.

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Never thought to see the moment where Soul gets infracted. :P

@FelPlague in a way I understand you and share the feelings. I try and see the positives of actually getting the Violet Mistake and Geiger mounts on second try. With a lot of other rares (and treasures) they are just so obnoxious...I have given up on it.

Also I just got the 4th mount from the mission table, but while trying to get them I thought "What stupid concept is this? I send troops on 1500 xp missions to FAIL...just for the xp so eventually they are high lv enough to win the mount mission". "Luckily" they managed this between lv 35 and 49...but what kind of idiotic design is sending out troops to die on missions and wasting 50 Anima on each mission. Needing 6-10 missions for 5 guys to reach the next level.

Oh wait...it adds up to the same 5000 Anima that is needed to buy some mounts. Is the game designed purely on an xls sheet here?

Yeah...also inB4: "If that concept is stupid...how stupid do I have to be to play along?"

Ignore the mission table until everything else is done. Well not ignore actually. Do only anima missions. It gives exp and gives anima. I haven't felt freer until I realized that. My only focus on characters is the "exclusive" building for each one until that's done in terms of building it up. After that the rare/treasure one and then finally the table. I might mix in the transport some spots in there.

[Snufflupagus]

I’ve been farming Rivendare’s horse on and off for sixteen years, rare drops are a central part of the game.

[cparle87]

Yes, because, you know, they are called "rares". I never had a problem with things like Time-Lost Proto Drake, I've never seen it alive, but I don't see that as a problem. Rares could have a spawn time randomized between 6 and 12 and it would be fine.

As if I haven't heard THAT argument before. You latch onto the name of the concept, make an assumption as to how rare a "rare" should be or it's not a "real rare" and then try to spin an argument that it not being the way you want it is somehow wrong.

[Voidism]

I personally think a worse thing this expansion is the ridiculously obscene amount of anima you need to buy stuff. But yeah, the inconsistent drop rates and respawn times are annoying too.

That said, I'd rather they'd make Torghast rewarding first.

[Tumile]

Rares have always been a thing in wow, but since mists of pandaria they have become less so rares, and more so "mobs with special names that are always alive and need to be killed daily for a chance at a reward" instead of "actual rarespawn, that almost always drops their unique reward" of the past.


This is a major fucking issue, especially with shadowlands, and here I am to give you some examples.

1. Bubbleblood- While I can solo this rare, it takes awhile, and its annoying ,it is slow and boring, takes about a minute, and I have killed this rare every day since launch of shadowlands. And yet here we are april 9th, and i still have yet to get his grungy containment pack. The reason I am hunting this item is for the pack cause it fits my mog amazingly. we are almost 6 months in, and this one reward is still missing. that is literally insane, that is in the most simple terms, a 0.5% drop rate (for me) and this is
one item
on one rare
in one zone
how is that at all respectful to the players time? that you ask of players who want to collect all the rewards just form world content itself, multiple hours of farming every single day, for MONTHS just to have a chance at the rewards, FROM WORLD CONTENT.


2- collector kash- this highlights another issue, he has a few rewards, however one of them the jagged bonesaw could not be obtained till jan 12th when we unlocked a new renown level... after that point he now drops the jagged bonesaw, this item is a modifier you apply to a toy you get as a necrolord. And yet, I have been farming this rare every day since jan 12th. 3 months later, and yet where is that jagged bonesaw? still on the rare. Locking a garunteed item behind unlocking its drop is fine, get renown then go kill a rare and get the item! but locking a RANDOM CHANCE behind something like this? its fucking mental


3- Tahonta- this rare had a secret method required to get the mount, which required reaching a specific level of the abomination factory, and then to go find a secret abomination neena, and then have her on you when you kill the rare, meaning all the kills before this, all the farming, was pointless, cause you never could have gotten the mount. Imagine if some rare had a secret method where you had to kill a rare the same hour your account was registered on, most players would get it acidently, as the others would all be screwed, not knowing that the time they played at and killed it, meant they never ever had the chance of getting this. it took a fair while for players to figure out it was neena that made the mount spawn, and even now we arnt 100% sure, as even with neena, people like me killing tahonta every day still have yet to get the mount.

now i shouldnt need to do this, but fuck it lets give it a shot!
What does my average day look like?

Log on with neena. Go to tahonta and kill them. No mount
Go to bubbleblood, ask in chat if anyone wants to help kill. No response. wait 10 seconds, then spend the next minute killing bubbleblood. No pack
Then go to collector kash, kill him. no bonesaw.
Then I take the portal back to the seat. and then i go to the abom factory and collect unity. Then go and do ALL the maldraxxus world quests. Then return to the abom factory and pick up neena again.

Oh wait unity? oh yeah. There is an ENTIRE ARMOR SET locked behind doing world quests in maldraxxus with unity as your active abom, unity an abom not obtainable till rank 5 of the abom factory. And has no weekly quest, same with neena, so you cant carry their summon items in your bag, you have to go actually pick them up from the abom factory. And completing a world quest with unity, has about a 1 in 20 chance of giving you a peice of gear for your mog set.


Now repeat this for 6 months straight, and im sure you start to see why this is so fucking draining, depressing, and tiring.
Because of this I have been playing less and less of shadowlands day by day, to the point most days my log in is just to go, kill these 3 rares, then log off, because its just exhausting. and im playing more classic then live, even playing more of other games that i used to only play when wow's servers were down.

People love to talk about how "locking flying is just blizzard trying to force people to stay subbed for longer" i love to point out that is hilariously wrong.
Simply because this, this right here is that. its gambling, not with money but with time. "If i kill them today i might just get it!" its disgusting and disrespectful to players time. Blizzard needs to increase the drop rate of rares, or simply return them to what they used to be.

I can garuntee you right now, I far prefered the time lost protodrake to this shit. When I farmed that mount it took me a long time, but that i could sit there and play something else, it was "once it spawns i am 100% going to get it" instead of this, were the mob is always there, but every single day you have a chance to get the item, and this chance means you are never actually garunteed to get it, even if you farm for 6 fucking months like I have.



Many people call me a shill saying I never say anything bad about the game, usually because I keep to myself the problems, simply because my problems with the game are ones plenty of people already talk about, or ones not big enough to make a thread or big deal about, so I never really voice them, but for yall that keep calling me shill and such, here is one of my problems I feel is big enough to talk about, and is a major problem.


Blizzard makes a lot of stupid fucking decisions, but stuff like this, these "small things" they add up, especially as this is THREE RARES there is atleast 100 in shadowlands. and yet 3 of them have me here 6 months later still missing rewards. I can only fucking imagine how bad it is for other people who actually want to "complete" shadowlands. I know for example desmephisto who is going for full plate, he has been doing hardcore wow every day all day for 6 months now on multiple warriors to try and get all the plate gear in shadowlands. here we are 6 months later, hes got multiple warriors of each covenent. and yet hes only about 50% done completion... that is fucking insane.


I did so many dailies, killed so many rares, I was world first 20k, 30k, and 35k anima. And yet here we are, there is still countless rewards i have to unlock, after months of farming, and yet ive maybe only unlocked 20-30% of necorlord cloth rewards. like and there is fucking 3 more necrolord armor types, then ontop of that 3 more covenants, like you gotta be fucking kidding me.

Rant over, im gunna go drink for abit and see how this turns out, tell me what item youve been farming for or something idk. what rare has been fucking abyssmal to you?

I am so confused, how is it disrespectful to the player? You know how a ton of people love replying "but you don't HAVE to do torghast, just do the content you like!" when the content you like requires you to torghast for Soul ash? your in a situation where nothing is locked behind this grind other than cosmetic rewards, it doesnt prohibit you from playing Arena, it doesn't stop you from raiding, one of the items don't stop you from grinding a different Item. it is quite literally your choice to do this grind, and if you play the game for this kind of content, then what would u do with your free wow time if they just dropped immediately? this isn't even anything new, it was much worse back in the day - was super fun farming Tidal Charm on the same server as APES on classic wow, trust me. there was no doing other stuff, if the spawn window was up, you were in-game spamming ur dumb macro, for up to 16 hours. personally it took 12 hours (after spending time getting the respawn timer in the first place, which was 24 hours of slack where i could do other stuff at the same time, kinda) for my first kill. sadly its only a roughly 30% drop rate 2nd time it was 8 hours, and Perplexity got the tag. wait another 32 hours, and here we go, this time it took only 2 hours, no drop. couldn't do the next 2 kills, but still had to keep an eye on it so I knew the respawn Timer. and my final attempt took 13 hours, and I finally got it. but even then, I considered it "My Choice" it didn't make it impossible to compete in PVP, it was just a nice bonus, I was still able to beat some of the best players in the world without, with the exception of Zulps WSG team.

Now I might be mistaken but I could swear I've seen you say similar stuff in other threads of people complaining that they just want to play the game, not do Choregast, or quests, or w/e other nonsense blizzard tries to force us to do in order to do the content that we enjoy.

Having a Grind that you consider worth doing, that doesn't lock you out of content isnt a lack of respect for the player, it isn't even a negative in my opinion. My Tidal charm farm kinda took the piss, not gonna lie, had I gotten it on my first attempt like every other fucko I know who did it, I would've walked away Happy. Instead I got to walk away Salty, but with a fun story to talk about on Team speak, and we can laugh at me wasting so many hours of my life in such a tedious and streinous way. If I knew it was gonna be as bad as it was, with as much competition as there was I would probably not do it again, but I don't exactly regret doing the grind. I signed up for it, knowing full well that this could happen.

It sounds to me like you just want a nice healthy dosis of instant gratification. nothing extraordinary about the grinds you have mentioned, they've been there, and usually worse for "competetive" pve and pvp players every single expac pretty much. who sometimes dont have a choice if they want to stay competitive.

[Lord Pebbleton]

I hate the idea of not being done with anything ever, so I just skip it all.

By that, I mean that I skip anything that is not intuitively obtainable or that requires you to jump through hoops, on top of being in the right place at the right time, in order to attempt to find an item with a 1% drop chance. This has always been fine for mounts, but random unique transmo? Battle pets? Toys? Those are not worth the time in my opinion. I recently killed a 600k health rare just to find absolutely nothing, a grey item and 50 anima.

So I just pretend they are not there. Screw having to go through obstacle courses for no reward at all.

[sam86]

i tried to farm zg mounts until they got removed from game
but honestly, it is legion that was the straw that broke my back
we have way too much of everything to care to farm for anything, be it transmog, mounts, mini pets, toys, anything literally
so a rare mob has a 'rare' chance to drop an item isn't big deal, replace it with the 1502 alternative that exist