Originally Posted by
Bigbazz
Well gear is always going to be a big factor, Preach was just arguing it had a larger factor than in the past. Confirming that isn't something you can easily prove but people in this thread have already made up their minds one way or another.
Being good enough for Mythic is more about just learning and understanding the fights, it's not a skill you can learn in heroic. I started raiding in this expansion in January after 4 years off and I think was around 213 when we killed Shriekwing Mythic, with a few pugs in group (guild didn't have a mythic roster then, and had no prior plans to raid mythic), but most of my gear came from M+ and I've been ilvl226 for a good while, not doing any content other than logging in once a week 2 hours of raiding. A lot of guilds are at this point or have stopped entirely.
This I realized already. I'm not new to MMOs, I come from FF and BDO where your gearing paths are either extremely branched out, but you also have many a source to acquire gear, or there is a very set path to gear that you can aim towards with ease, but then the upgrades are what is taking time and it's a matter of luck and grind (season server gear systems). It is rare that players end up sitting on the same gear and itemlevel for 6+ months and I'm not sure how much of it can be attributed to Corona and the fact WoW Devs had to work from home. I guess they're behind schedule for new content?
Getting gear is easy, you can do M+ and get up to 220 via valor and a 226 vault. If you want to move forward you have to take some inititive here and do what you must (ask for help?) to get geared. You said you get 50-90 parses but the 225 hunter gets grey but does more dps, that doesn't make sense unless you're talking about Ilvl bracket, by which point the comparison is kinda meaningless because higher ilvl bracket is where all the good players currently are. You can literally have a 99% parse on heroic and in the same guild on Mythic end up with green or grey parses just due to a scuffed strategy or execution, or because you were cheesing on Heroic and on Mythic you don't cheese because you need to kill the boss. Your parses are closely tied to the entire performance of your raid, at least for most classes on most bosses.
I have cleared up to M+12 by pulling my own weight, meaning in groups of similar item level to mine. But the M+15 is actually hard. So hard in fact that I couldn't time any +15 yet. As I said, I am still barely learning the game and not achieving a performance of veterans is okay for me. But I always thought that the benefit of this game over others is the raiding system and I find it somewhat weird that my gearing progression needs to come from the M+ content. But it is what it is.
Regarding the parses, yes. I've looked at item level parses because it strikes me as more fair to compare myself to others of similar gear, rather than the overall parses where people with better gear will obviously pull higher numbers. Is that wrong?
If your guild is progressing on 5/10 a lot of guilds at this point are just extending the lock anyway and gearing via M+ and I think it's a hard sell to bring an inexperienced 213 hunter to Mythic Artificer/Lady. You either need to just get in M+ and gear fast or set your sights on the next tier.
Considering that Season 2 will only take a few more weeks to arrive I'm wondering how much effort I should be putting into gearing up for Mythic NC. By the time I am finished I assume season 2 will render my efforts pointless.