And that's the problem - "her actions in BfA". BfA fucked up her character, not Shadowlands. I will always take 9.2.5 Sylvanas over whatever we got for BfA. The only other possibility could have been if BfA Sylvanas was a Dreadlord all the time with the real Sylvanas being a prisoner in Torghast. Not sure if people would have enjoyed that either though.
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Fire is just boring tbh. there is like one or two talents we haven't seen before? it's not bad per se, but it's just not something i am excited about either. it's just... there. None of the lower talents really excite me tbh. Kindling is basically a "must have" and neither Fire Frenzy nor SBK are really that exciting. i like the Phoenix Flames support though.
Maybe just to allow some tank variance while dungeon testing? There are 5 healing specs available now, but only two tank specs. So getting holy done might just not have been a priority.I don't understand why they released Paladin talents with Holy being completely untouched yet. Such a weird move.
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It seems that with these new talents they are trying to preserve all current meta builds. Not liking Sun Kings being back, on the fence with Arcane Harmony. Very specific play style, not sure how it will synergise with the rest of talents.
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I doubt everyone had the same idea on BfA, mostly because it honestly feels like two entirely different expansion grafted onto eachother.
N'zoth being in the Azshara questline could easily just have been because they wanted to set up her character better. And the N'zoth stuff in Stormsong could also just have been foreshadowing for the full-on Old God expansion coming after, in the same way Legion didnt end with Azhara despite Azsuna being all about Naga, and both Xavius being a boss, and Tomb of Sargeras having an entire wing dedicated to Naga.
I honestly think that BfA was supposed to end with Siege of Stormwind or some equivalent faction war raid, and that sometime during development they just decided to scrap it and go for N'zoth instead.
Or maybe it really was as you said. Someone had way too much fun making the ultimate Faction War themed expansion without considering how this would clash horrendously with the planned ending, and noone decided to do anything about it.
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People seem to mistake punishment for redemption.
Sylvanas barely got any redemption. She isn't hailed as a hero or even a neutral person. She helped fix up her mess and basically got a "k, thx", for it, before being sent to maw to collect souls for who knows how long. Her soul being "fixed" makes it even worse if anything because her whole being is being punished for something her broken version did.
For me 8.2.5 would not have happened (or it would have been Mechagon to better pace content). 8.3 would have been the Horde besieging Stormwind in a raid similar to Dazar'alor with a couple of character deaths (maybe Nathanos and Genn?) and in the end, N'zoth comes to Stormwind Harbor, we barely manage to push him back; maybe Tyrande shows up and goes Night Warrior on his ass giving her an actual badass moment, Sylvanas betrays everyone and yeets to somewhere else and the factions enter a forced detente going into a new expansion that is entirely against N'zoth
Then we have a proper old god expac where the devs can capitalize on the horrors of the Black Empire to build faction unity and prepare us for the inevitability of cross faction gameplay. We end similarly to canon 8.3 with N'zoth getting blasted and Sylvanas breaking the helm and enter Shadowlands at that point.
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Really she should have just been a Nihilist. This system is fucked, burn it all down. That would be a very understandable goal, especially given her PTSD. Sure it would not redeem her but it would explain her.
The added "I did it for love" with loved ones not sharing afterlives was just the bullshit redemption clause in her contract.
Her actions in BfA, compounded by what we see in Shadowlands.
The issue is the redemption arc in general really not working with what we are presented. Shadowlands should have at least attempted to have Sylvanas explain her position more clearly. At least then we would have some reason to believe she isnt a complete idiot.
Having her praise the virtues of free will doesnt really work when she is inside Satans prison listening to the tormented screams of those she killed.
In short, the issue with Sylvanas is that BfA made her evil, and Shadowlands made her the supreme dunce in Warcraft.
The writers probably could have salvaged it somehow by playing up Sylvanas being that idiot and that she had ended up way in over her head. But that would require actually writing her as someone flawed, which they didnt seem to be willing to do, having her be shown as this cool ranger at the end despite nothing being done to convince us she wouldnt immediately turn around and help the next supreme evil with a sob story.
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While I also dislike Sun King's, combined with Tempered Flames, Pyroclasm and Pyromanic it may lead to a very different playstyle.
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Or they could have held their noses and wrapped up the existing story instead of the narrative contortion that happened between 8.3-9.2
In other news, everyone else hoping for more colours for the dragonriding mounts? Would love to get brown, teal, darker blue, pink, purple and orange tones. The current six variants look great, but I had hoped for more, especially compared to the Dracthyr.
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I guess they wanted to just give the six main variants to begin with.
Hopefully at least they add some more variants like plagued, iron, or infinite later. Though if I were Blizzard i would have held those colours back as rewards from content later.
Or then again, maybe they want other variants to be distinct mounts, and not just have every single dragon mount in DF technically be the same one.
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Thank you, I've read that and the explanation still makes not much sense in regards of all the other talent trees that are still missing. I guess they could do the same with all other classes yet they chose not to. And this is the first time they've released a class in this alpha that's only halfway done, so no idea why they felt the need to do it with Paladins.
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They probably could release all of them in some state, but choose not to. I think it's great they released atleast this much of Paladin. You can already see how the class tree will be good for Holy. They said they want focused feedback, so they release everything in little parts.
I hated everything about her from the moment the Burning of Teldrassil happened until the last patch where High Elf Sylvanas came back. I still don't like what happened, or feel sorry about her. But I'm content with the resolution at the end.
Now as long as they keep Tyrande alive forever and give the Night Elves an actual home and STOP MESSING WITH THEM, I'll be happy.