Dragonriding is destroying exploration

[Ryzeth]

Oh look weak quality bait post where OP posts once and abandons thread.

[Ealyssa]

basically just jumping around from quest marker to quest marker and ignoring the world itself.

Then... maybe... don't ? It's a you problem.

"Please Blizzard ! Prevent my own foolishness to skip the content I want to do but don't for reasons"

[Dinousek]

So you loaded up your little Handy Notes addon and went and collected all the glyphs ahead of time using someone else's work and time and now you are bitching about how using shortcuts has marred your game experience.

Nuff said.

[Mafic]

I really like the system itself, but I feel like it was a major mistake putting it at the start of the expansion. I'm flying through entire zones in a matter of seconds, basically just jumping around from quest marker to quest marker and ignoring the world itself. The feeling of exploring a new continent has completely vanished for me, as I'm not slowly uncovering the map and finding interesting places anymore. I'm dashing from one place to the next at breakneck speed, not caring what is in between them at all.

The system also makes the new areas feel small as hell. I've already seen the entire expansion in like 20 minutes by collecting the glyphs. And now I can just go from one end to the other in 2 minutes. There's zero sense of scale. It almost feels like playing a few small new patch zones.

The gameplay itself feels amazing, but I would've prefered just having ground mounts and then getting dragonriding for each zone at the end. They barely feel like actual zones to me, as it's like I'm teleporting around and skipping everything instead of actually exploring.

We have known this for some time. BlizZard is scared of easy wins.

[Wyrt]

No one is stopping you from running around on the ground. This "problem" is manufactured by yourself.

[StillMcfuu]

I really like the system itself, but I feel like it was a major mistake putting it at the start of the expansion. I'm flying through entire zones in a matter of seconds, basically just jumping around from quest marker to quest marker and ignoring the world itself. .

This is a you problem. I spend more time exploring and going to resource nodes because I know I can just mount up and get back on track pretty easily. Mostly i get easily seats by every side quest, especially races, and go do those. Or see if there is anything neat on top of mountains.

When I'm stuck on the ground my biggest issue, especially with map design the way it is since wod, is seeing something on the minimap and not being able to reach or worse getting stuck trying to go up or down some wall I wasn't supposed to be going past.
It's amazing how much better zones look and feel when they aren't designed to reign you in. Blows my mind that Blizz learned this in Wrath and completely forgot it since then.

[tomten]

I haven't played yet but do you get dragonriding right at the start when you enter the isles?

You get it about 45 min into the game.
Then you have shit dragonriding until you collect most (all) glyphs. And then its just overpowered.
I get the complaint, i was so tired when I did it and having done it on beta already I just followed a tomtom guide.
I didnt even realize i was in all zones before I got the last achievement. So his critique IS valid, which is not something I would have thought a week ago.

[VoidDrake]

Bro, what do you expected from a "Dragon Island" where most of the creatures fly and are octa-big than your player, most are should be mountains and caves, since Dragons love that shit, hence why we got flying early.

[escalprillo]

I'm sorry but how is it destroying exploration? if anything I'm enjoying it more! being able to get to places easier, spending time reaching specific areas I want to go in order to see more, like how does it destroys exploration? being able to explore faster or different doesn't make it bad or worse.

If you feel like you have explored the whole expansion looking for glyphs, well that's on you. I just did them all on the first map because that's the area where I'm still questing and exploring. No reason for me to go anywhere else to get the rest of the glyphs. Yes, I can do it and make the dragon be better, but why rush it? the fact that you complain about it making the exploration too fast yet you going out of your hand to get all the glyphs contradicts your own statement imo.

Just enjoy the expansion and embrace the change, dragonriding is great and most of all, FUN!

[Yarathir]

Your mistake is in assuming that exploration is exclusively a ground-activity.
And flying is optional.

Now say this about regular flying.

[sam86]

That is a You-problem, not a Game-problem.

i agree, as many pointed out, literally nothing stopping u from get on ur ground mount and don't fly again (except when u must)

[doodle90]

The zones feel huge even with dragon riding and they factor in dragon riding lots of verticality in exploring. IDk what you are talking about. The quests also have very little trvael time even walking so saying that dragon riding prevents you from exploring during quests is the dumbest thing ever. If you are flying 10 feet just to fly thats on you as you could have easily walked that

[Shinchi Migi]

I really like the system itself, but I feel like it was a major mistake putting it at the start of the expansion. I'm flying through entire zones in a matter of seconds, basically just jumping around from quest marker to quest marker and ignoring the world itself. The feeling of exploring a new continent has completely vanished for me, as I'm not slowly uncovering the map and finding interesting places anymore. I'm dashing from one place to the next at breakneck speed, not caring what is in between them at all.

The system also makes the new areas feel small as hell. I've already seen the entire expansion in like 20 minutes by collecting the glyphs. And now I can just go from one end to the other in 2 minutes. There's zero sense of scale. It almost feels like playing a few small new patch zones.

The gameplay itself feels amazing, but I would've prefered just having ground mounts and then getting dragonriding for each zone at the end. They barely feel like actual zones to me, as it's like I'm teleporting around and skipping everything instead of actually exploring.

I knew it wouldn't be long before someone put up a stupid post complaining about something. Just can't make everyone happy. You do realize that their are ground mounts available right. No one told you to use dragon riding. Gotta love that cause a player hates something, then EVERYONE should hate it as well.../sigh

[Kilrox]

I really like the system itself, but I feel like it was a major mistake putting it at the start of the expansion. I'm flying through entire zones in a matter of seconds, basically just jumping around from quest marker to quest marker and ignoring the world itself. The feeling of exploring a new continent has completely vanished for me, as I'm not slowly uncovering the map and finding interesting places anymore. I'm dashing from one place to the next at breakneck speed, not caring what is in between them at all.

The system also makes the new areas feel small as hell. I've already seen the entire expansion in like 20 minutes by collecting the glyphs. And now I can just go from one end to the other in 2 minutes. There's zero sense of scale. It almost feels like playing a few small new patch zones.

The gameplay itself feels amazing, but I would've prefered just having ground mounts and then getting dragonriding for each zone at the end. They barely feel like actual zones to me, as it's like I'm teleporting around and skipping everything instead of actually exploring.

I feel like this is more of a user issue than an actual game issue. Everything you're saying, I feel the exact opposite, and I have gone around collecting all the glyphs already with maxed out dragonflying skill. I have never felt more connected to the zones, exploring the other zones was awe-inspiring due to the sheer scale of the zones, I can't imagine how many side quests are out there, I feel like I barely scratched the surface.

[Drudi]

That is a You-problem, not a Game-problem.

No.

When game is built and designed in a way that stimulates certain type of behavior - it’s a game-problem. Such as:

- pushing LFR/LFD instead of people interaction and communication
- shifting gold sinks towards “highly desired” and “nearly mandatory”, thus making it almost mandatory to buy gold with real money
- “balancing” skills and abilities around pvp (in a game that is all about pve)

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i agree, as many pointed out, literally nothing stopping u from get on ur ground mount and don't fly again (except when u must)

Literally nothing stops you from using grey-quality gear in dungeons and raids instead of epics.

Are you doing this? Why not? Is it also a you-problem?

[VinceVega]

I really like the system itself, but I feel like it was a major mistake putting it at the start of the expansion. I'm flying through entire zones in a matter of seconds, basically just jumping around from quest marker to quest marker and ignoring the world itself. The feeling of exploring a new continent has completely vanished for me, as I'm not slowly uncovering the map and finding interesting places anymore. I'm dashing from one place to the next at breakneck speed, not caring what is in between them at all.

The system also makes the new areas feel small as hell. I've already seen the entire expansion in like 20 minutes by collecting the glyphs. And now I can just go from one end to the other in 2 minutes. There's zero sense of scale. It almost feels like playing a few small new patch zones.

The gameplay itself feels amazing, but I would've prefered just having ground mounts and then getting dragonriding for each zone at the end. They barely feel like actual zones to me, as it's like I'm teleporting around and skipping everything instead of actually exploring.

Disagree hard.
I love it. It is the best of two worlds.
Better than flying and more convenient than ground mounts

Also dragon Isles and the quests make good use of it. Many places can't be reached without it

[FelPlague]

I am not playing the expansion, but is the new island not catered to flying in mind? Cos I have always been fine with flying in WoW as long as the world has flying in mind and you are not just flying in open space.

There should be the same experience flying as you would have on a ground mount.

It is cattered for flying in mind, made entirely withthe fact you get flying right away, and is the largest continent to be added since vanillas kalim/EK

op is complaining that dragon riding is too fast, meaning exploration is not a long task.

[Vonazak]

I really like the system itself, but I feel like it was a major mistake putting it at the start of the expansion. I'm flying through entire zones in a matter of seconds, basically just jumping around from quest marker to quest marker and ignoring the world itself. The feeling of exploring a new continent has completely vanished for me, as I'm not slowly uncovering the map and finding interesting places anymore. I'm dashing from one place to the next at breakneck speed, not caring what is in between them at all.

The system also makes the new areas feel small as hell. I've already seen the entire expansion in like 20 minutes by collecting the glyphs. And now I can just go from one end to the other in 2 minutes. There's zero sense of scale. It almost feels like playing a few small new patch zones.

The gameplay itself feels amazing, but I would've prefered just having ground mounts and then getting dragonriding for each zone at the end. They barely feel like actual zones to me, as it's like I'm teleporting around and skipping everything instead of actually exploring.

You deserve to play Shadowlands for the next 10 years

Dragonriding solved the main issue with leveling: that is boring.

The game is so enjoyable now.

[Drudi]

“quests make good use of it. Many places can't be reached without it”

Instead of designing a really interesting terrain which makes you think at least a little bit on how to get where (e.g. Nagrand wod), you just…fly.

Where’s good in this? It’s not “making good use of it”, it’s using an easiest path and using bike in a bicycle race.

[Glasse]

Hopefully Pathfinder will come in next patch so you can use regular mounts in Dragon Isles. Not sure why people are SO opposed to it.

I kinda wish i had regular flying at times too, i didn't know people were opposed to it? That's so odd.

It's more precise because you can both stop and go straight down. Trying to mine on the edge of a cliff is annoying, your mount keeps sliding off.