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  1. #2541
    Quote Originally Posted by RH92 View Post
    I don't know, Cormier vs Jones is hard to get excited for. One is constantly injuring himself during training and the other one is prone to doing questionable stuff.

    Even if it happens, I am pretty torn in deciding who to root for. If I am to be honest, I want both of them to lose. At one side I want DC to lose because I dislike how he fights and he seems annoying to me, but I know he is a good guy inside. On the other hand, I like how Jon fights, but tired of how fake he is and I believe he needs to lose his belt in fight to reignite his fire.

    At least it is a good fight to look for.
    Personally I don't see Jones as being any more fake than any other fighter out there. I feel like ufc fighters get judged as people more than any other sport's athletes do tbh. No one even really knows these guys and they get mad when they talk shit to each other when that has been a staple of pro fighting for 40+ years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berndorf View Post
    I feel like ufc fighters get judged as people more than any other sport's athletes do tbh.
    That's because they're not typical athletes playing with a ball against each other, they're human beings we make strip off their clothes and we put them in an enclosed space so that they can attack each other.

    It's barbaric. It's uncivil. It's savage. It's entertaining. >

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    Holy shit guys. Dana White is with the TNT Crew in the after-game basketball show. He says he lives 10 mins away from the basketball arena. He also says that the McGregor side is done negotiating for their fight. And that it's gonna be straight up boxing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berndorf View Post
    Personally I don't see Jones as being any more fake than any other fighter out there. I feel like ufc fighters get judged as people more than any other sport's athletes do tbh. No one even really knows these guys and they get mad when they talk shit to each other when that has been a staple of pro fighting for 40+ years.
    I don't mind trash talk, it is entertaining.

    My main problem with Jones is, he is not a man of his words. Apart from saying he is the best, I trust nothing he says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RH92 View Post
    I don't mind trash talk, it is entertaining.

    My main problem with Jones is, he is not a man of his words. Apart from saying he is the best, I trust nothing he says.
    What exactly are you referring to? I'm not like some huge JJ fan either, I'm just not sure what you are referring to. He's made mistakes and now he's trying to get his life/career back on track. I do like him better than Cormier though who I think has too high an opinion of himself given that Jones pretty much manhandled him in the first fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berndorf View Post
    What exactly are you referring to? I'm not like some huge JJ fan either, I'm just not sure what you are referring to. He's made mistakes and now he's trying to get his life/career back on track. I do like him better than Cormier though who I think has too high an opinion of himself given that Jones pretty much manhandled him in the first fight.
    I don't know man, I just don't trust him when he says he is 'good' now.

    After his first fuck up, he was saying it too, Cormier got injured and he fought OSP. Fight with Cormier is scheduled again and he is caught cheating, how could he promise stuff when he was still taking 'dick pills'?

    He tries to act as nice guy which he is not. Now he is either playing victim or trying to make it look cool despite he chose to pursue that lifestyle.

  6. #2546
    Huh. I was at my youtube homepage and one of the recommended videos is/was UFC 212 Official Weigh-In.

    UFC 212 is happening tomorrow. I did not know that. I probably won't watch it. Or maybe I will? Idk. Someone look at the card and tell me how good it will be.

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    Hmmm I looked up tickets for the fight that's happening near me. But it's a like a fucking Fight Night that's gonna be on regular fucking cable on Fox, and the cheapest tickets for someplace you can't even see is $55. Doesn't seem worth it. I feel like for fights you need to be close to appreciate it. Not like other sports where distance may not matter that much.

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    main event tomorrow is good, other fights are hit and miss. toss up card imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueobelisk View Post

    Holy shit guys. Dana White is with the TNT Crew in the after-game basketball show. He says he lives 10 mins away from the basketball arena. He also says that the McGregor side is done negotiating for their fight. And that it's gonna be straight up boxing.

    So... when Mayweather completely takes apart McGregor, can we just stop talking about the guy like some kind of fighting messiah. He moved up a division and lost to Diaz... Diaz was ranked 10th when he fought him, the rematch was close as well. McGregor is a good fighter, but he has yet to do anything to really make him considered great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McFuu View Post
    So... when Mayweather completely takes apart McGregor, can we just stop talking about the guy like some kind of fighting messiah. He moved up a division and lost to Diaz... Diaz was ranked 10th when he fought him, the rematch was close as well. McGregor is a good fighter, but he has yet to do anything to really make him considered great.
    Sorry, but lots of hate and confirmation bias filling your post. You just undersold a fighter taking a last minute fight with a pretty reliable and heavy hitting fighter, then undersold Nate Diaz saying he was 'ranked 10th' because that has meant a lot in either brothers career, then said Conor has done nothing to make him great. 2 weight champ, and has only lost one fight since entering the UFC with an overall professional record of 21-3.

    I mean, he's not GOAT status but he's made his mark in MMA and could retire now and would always be in the 'best of' conversations.
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    Thanks for bumping the thread. I'm a bit lazy but I guess ill try to find a live stream for UFC 212 right now.

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    Alright I'm watching now. 3 fights left. The hype man is in English but idk if it's my particular stream...but the broadcasters are spanish. Kinda detracts from the fight excitement. By a lot lol.

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    Max Holloway putting on a show. Aldo is done, hang em up. That Conor rematch is never coming now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelimbror View Post
    Sorry, but lots of hate and confirmation bias filling your post. You just undersold a fighter taking a last minute fight with a pretty reliable and heavy hitting fighter, then undersold Nate Diaz saying he was 'ranked 10th' because that has meant a lot in either brothers career, then said Conor has done nothing to make him great. 2 weight champ, and has only lost one fight since entering the UFC with an overall professional record of 21-3.

    I mean, he's not GOAT status but he's made his mark in MMA and could retire now and would always be in the 'best of' conversations.
    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the guy is a bum or anything like that. He is a really good fighter, just like Diaz, who is also a really good fighter. But it's hard to consider McGregor the best in his division honestly. He's only fought 3x there, not to mention before he moved up it was questioned why he wouldn't rematch with Aldo. I'd like to see him rematch with Halloway again, just so we could see how far that guy really has come.

    At the end of the day Diaz isn't the best the division had to offer, the first fight Diaz was a bit overweight, part of the short notice for the fight. But the second match that wasn't an issue and it was still really close. McGregor showing he is the better fighter and better prepared, but it wasn't emphatic.

    I'm really not hating on McGregor, but the hype surrounding him is surreal. And he wants to step in with Mayweather, who is definitely a focal point for any conversation of greatest of all time.

    There are too many questions to McGregor's career to really consider him in any conversation outside of one of the best fighters in his weight class currently. There are guys with similar records to McGregor who don't get this unreal hype train he does. He is a showman, he promotes his fights well, he is entertaining to watch, and he is a really good fighter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McFuu View Post
    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the guy is a bum or anything like that. He is a really good fighter, just like Diaz, who is also a really good fighter. But it's hard to consider McGregor the best in his division honestly. He's only fought 3x there, not to mention before he moved up it was questioned why he wouldn't rematch with Aldo. I'd like to see him rematch with Halloway again, just so we could see how far that guy really has come.

    At the end of the day Diaz isn't the best the division had to offer, the first fight Diaz was a bit overweight, part of the short notice for the fight. But the second match that wasn't an issue and it was still really close. McGregor showing he is the better fighter and better prepared, but it wasn't emphatic.

    I'm really not hating on McGregor, but the hype surrounding him is surreal. And he wants to step in with Mayweather, who is definitely a focal point for any conversation of greatest of all time.

    There are too many questions to McGregor's career to really consider him in any conversation outside of one of the best fighters in his weight class currently. There are guys with similar records to McGregor who don't get this unreal hype train he does. He is a showman, he promotes his fights well, he is entertaining to watch, and he is a really good fighter.
    I don't really care about the whole "GOAT" banter. Fighting as a whole is a too multidimensional thing for such categories to have sense or meaning. McGregor gets the unusual hype because he's a highly unusual individual and martial artist.

    His fighting style, movement, training methods and overall vision of the sport are unusual. Blazing through FW like he did is unusual. Knocking out the reigning champ in 13 seconds is unusual. Crossing boundaries and taking up unique challenges like he does is unusual. Coming back so massively improved, showing true growth as a fighter after a demoralizing loss is unusual. Piecing up the LW champ like he did is unusual. And of course, his whole persona and entertainment value is unusual. So I don't think he's getting any bit too much or unjustified attention. He's a remarkable guy, he's different, and he truly is a martial artist, and therefor he surely deserves the hype.

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    I didn't watch the fight last night because it was in spanish. Catch me for UFC 213.

  15. #2555
    That first round flouish by Aldo including the knee to the face did ZERO to Max, that's when I knew it was over. Aldo is washed.

    I was shocked Karolina lost so quickly.
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  16. #2556
    Mighty Mouse dropping bombs on Dana White and the whole deal with the behind the scenes negotiation, backstabbing and BS of the UFC:

    http://imgur.com/a/7H3vt

    For years I have been a company man and kept quiet, accepting fights, doing as they asked, and always remaining humble and grateful for the opportunities provided to me through mixed martial arts. This is how I was raised through the sport. Unfortunately, UFC's mistreatment and bullying has finally forced me to speak out. I've decided to speak out now as I feel like my values and character as a person and a fighter are being tarnished by an organization I've done nothing but sweat and bleed for over the last 7 years of my life. If it takes me speaking up and encouraging other fighters to ban together to start getting fair treatment, then so be it.

    UFC Matchmaker Mick Maynard called and offered the fight vs Ray Borg. I thought Pettis was a more marketable name and on a longer winning streak. Mick went back to Dana, then came back and told us that I had no choice, it was going to be Ray Borg, not Pettis, and there were no other options. That was the command from Dana and company. This would mean that my only chance at ppv points at Flyweight was vs Ray Borg. I said OK, but it's not fair to make that my only chance at ppv points, when Cody Garbrandt is saying he wants to come down and fight me at Flyweight, which was the fight I wanted. We told Mick that to be fair we would take the fight, but want ppv points for future fights at flyweight. Mick agreed and said it was fair and didn't see any problem with that situation. Mick spoke to Dana and Sean Shelby who then told him to deny giving me any future ppv points for all of my future flyweight fights Further, I still had to fight Ray Borg and they were giving me no other choice. I accepted the fight with Ray and decided to deal with the unfair situation and despicable treatment by Dana and Sean after I succeed in breaking the consecutive title fight defense record in my next fight vs Borg. Mick thanked me for accepting the fight, knowing that I was being screwed over and mistreated by Dana and Sean.

    I wanted a reason for not being allowed any future ppv points Sean Shelby called and told us how smaller fighters don't sell, that UFC can't make stars of anyone, and that a fight between Cody and I wouldn't be a sellable fight. We disagreed. I think a fight between Cody and I would be popular if it was even given a small serving of the marketing efforts put into other big fights.

    UFC has failed to market and promote me appropriately. Prior to my last fight where I tied the record for the most consecutive successful title defenses, we waited to repost UFC's social media posts about me from their Facebook page. There weren't any posts until a few days into fight week, then, there were a total of 2 posts. In comparison to others who they promote across their social media platforms, they failed to do their job in promoting me and that monumental event. In my recent conversations, Sean and Dana have confirmed UFC's lack of desire to put any effort into promoting us.

    In addition to the above, I want to address the lack of marketing and promotion of the Flyweight division, even though Dana will claim otherwise. I would challenge that the UFC doesn't even market the division. It's been 3 years since the UFC launched 3 new divisions in 2 years (2012 to 2014) where they focused most of their marketing efforts to grow female mixed martial arts, which I understand. But, we are now 3 years post launch, and the company continues to do the bare minimum in marketing the division well past the launch of these other divisions. As a fighter, I pay very close attention to the amount of marketing that goes into and around my fights and I can tell you that you'd be hard pressed to find much that has been done to promote me outside of TUF 24, which was minimal in comparison to other fights, fighters and shows. With me, the UFC chooses not to market the best fighter in the world and arguably the greatest fighter of all time. I can't think of any other sports organization in the world that has the best player in the sport where the league, or the organization, doesn't market that player to their loyal fan base to sell more of their product. Look at my track record for showing up to fights. Look at my track record of finishing fights. Look at my track record of getting fight night bonuses. Ask yourself if you think that if the UFC decided to truly put marketing dollars behind me that they couldn't sell me or my fights.

    Completely unrelated and after the accepted fight vs Ray Borg, Cody Garbradt injured his back and TJ Dillashaw said he wanted to fight me. Dana told me he wanted me to fight TJ, which I disagreed with for multiple reasons. First, TJ has never fought at Flyweight and is unlikely to make the weight, which would then eliminate the possibility of breaking the title defense record. Second, they have already told me that a fight between Cody and I wouldn't be sellable, so fighting TJ would have no monetary upside . Third, TJ is not a flyweight or a current champion in another weight class and was KO'ed by the flyweight whom I beat twice already. Last, Ray Borg and I already agreed to the fight, which UFC tyrannically demanded, while denying me any future ppv points.

    After telling Dana my reason's, Dana angrily told me that I am fighting TJ, once again, with no other option or say so in my career, and against the plans we had previously laid out. He went on further to say that if I didn't take the fight against TJ, and drop Borg as the opponent, he would get rid of the entire Flyweight division. He said this is for TJ and I'm taking away TJ's opportunity. That fact that he feels that what I should do in my career is for TJ, tells where his priority lies. Sorry Dana, my career is about Demetrious Johnson and my goals of fighting the best current flyweights, breaking the record of title defenses, going after the bantamweight champion after I have broken the record, and making money for my family. My career is not about doing for Dana's buddy who is neither a bantamweight champion or flyweight contender. We ended by disagreeing and left it there. The next day, Dana went to the media and announced that I was fighting TJ Dillashaw, in an obvious attempt to bully me in the media and tarnish my reputation. I posted a short statement letting people know that I had not agreed to the TJ fight, but had already agreed to fight Ray Borg, as demanded by UFC.

    Dana put up an interview stating that it was "insane" that I didn't want to fight TJ, that "he makes the matches and that is the match he is making", and "you tell me why DJ doesn't want to fight TJ", trying to make it as though I am scared or ducking TJ Dillashaw.
    Mick spoke to me to try to change the offer from Ray to TJ. I told Mick that I thought TJ should fight once in the division first, prove he can make the weight and get a win at that weight, then fight me if I wasn't already busy with Cody. Mick agreed that it made the most sense.

    Later, Mick called again as mandated by Dana, to try to make the fight with TJ and drop Ray. We told him that we didn't think TJ would make the weight and the fight would be off since it would no longer be a title fight without TJ making weight. Mick said they guaranteed that TJ would make weight. We told him that since it was guaranteed by TJ and UFC was demanding and putting me in a bad circumstance, then it is fair that if if TJ didn't make weight, the fight would be off and I would still get my guarantee + TJ's guaranteed pay. Mick said that Ray would be on the card and he could fill in if TJ didn't make weight. We said, oh, then which one do I train for? I thought TJ guaranteed he was making weight. Is it a world championship with the #1 pound for pound fighter on earth, or an amateur tournament where I don't know who I'm fighting until I get there. Obviously there was no guarantee and they just wanted to push me to do something that they knew wasn't a good choice for my career. The "guarantees" that they made had nothing to back them up and they were unwilling to give a real guarantee to compensate me for all the damage I put on my body preparing for a fight that may not happen. The fact that they said Ray will be a backup shows the lack of respect they have for what we go through in preparing for a fight at this level.

    Mick went back to Dana and Sean, then came back and told us that they don't agree with my request and I have to fight TJ with no guarantee to make weight or financial incentive if he doesn't make weight. This is typical of the unfulfilled promises and bullying that has gone on through my UFC career.

    In summary:

    I agreed to their tyrannical demand to fight Ray Borg and Ray also agreed.

    UFC has refused to give me ppv points on any future flyweight bouts, and has never given me any ppv points on previous bouts. My request was fair and the matchmaker in charge of the Flyweight and Bantamweight division agreed.

    I gave UFC fair conditions to change the fight to TJ Dillashaw and they refused.

    Dana and Sean have told me that they have no interest in marketing me or the smaller divisions, so when they say that I will make ppv money vs Dillashaw, they leave out the fact that I have to hit certain numbers of buys, which will not be hit if they fail in marketing me like they have in my previous fights.

    If TJ doesn't make weight, I can't break the record for the most consecutive title defenses and they have denied paying me in that circumstance.

    Dana has made an effort to bully me in the media as well as in private, in order to get what he wants, even though it is not what is best for me or the sport.

    If Dana says this will be a big ppv fight for me, and that they will promote it properly, then he can pay for it up front and explain to Ray Borg why he is being taken out of the fight that the UFC matchmaker in charge of the division put him in. Otherwise, it is just another lie and attempt to bully me to do something that Dana wants, but is not the right thing to do for the sport or my career.

    UFC's track record in making an effort to promote my fights, and Dana's claim that this is a big chance for ppv dollars for me tells a different story than what Dana is stating to the public.
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    Wow, like....I wouldn't doubt UFC and Dana for being utter shitheads, but where is the source on that? I just see the IG link with no attachment to DJ.

    In any case, if this is real then geez....so messed up.
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  18. #2558
    DJ don't want none of Mighty Mouse. Neither does Cody. Not at flyweight at least.
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  19. #2559
    Quote Originally Posted by Kelimbror View Post
    Wow, like....I wouldn't doubt UFC and Dana for being utter shitheads, but where is the source on that? I just see the IG link with no attachment to DJ.

    In any case, if this is real then geez....so messed up.
    The source is from MM's Discord, it's now been posted at several MMA websites and MM was on MMAHour yesterday and talked about it live.
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  20. #2560
    lol, that fucking mcgregor wannabe got put down like a bitch.

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