I can't believe how stubborn you are being. You've been told repeatedly that, despite your insistence, fresh food is not cheaper than frozen/canned/processed shit -- at least not anywhere in Canada or the United States.
Yet here you are, still prattling on about how it is "most likely much cheaper".
It isn't. You're wrong. Please get it through your head.
I'm not saying that it's a good thing. I think it's terrible.
Personally, I try not to eat anything that is processed. I buy organic vegetables and fruits, and I don't mind paying extra.
However, I have a fairly decent income, and I am a bachelor. To boot, I'm a chef - so I can make pretty much anything from the base ingredients.
Having said that, I can also afford to spend $9 on organic mango salsa.
A person who is living on welfare, however, can't. They live off of things like Kraft Dinner (macaroni and processed cheese powder, mmm), and hot dogs.
Why? Because you can buy a pack of 8 hot dogs for a dollar, and a box of Kraft Dinner for 89 cents. (And that's not even a sale price!)
You can feed you and your kids for less than a dollar each.
Ask any Canadian kid who grew up in a poor family how many times they had Kraft Dinner and hot dogs for dinner.
You simply cannot buy fresh fruit, vegetables and meat for that kind of money.
And you know what? Maybe you're right. Maybe it is a cultural thing.
Maybe if people spent a little less money on luxuries, they could afford fresh fruits and vegetables.
However, concern over the quality of the food we eat tends to be the last thing on our mind.
It's a failing, to be sure. But that's the way it is.
Last edited by Atrea; 2012-01-28 at 04:28 PM.
Fearing this? Not really, why would you fear living in danger from getting into a gas chamber etc? Its common to like this kind of stuff. Dictatorship is smth Im really missing in my life atm. So yes, giiiief 1 world goverment now. (ofc there might be a "better" goverment around, but in the end it will get corrupted and collapsed by some hardcore wannabes anyway)
Why do you even bring up $9 organic mango salsa? No one is suggesting that you should buy that if you're on a tight budget. Heck, you don't need any spices if you're really on a budget.
Again, you can make a perfectly healthy meal with a per portion cost of under $1 in the US. I'm almost certain most poor obese people pay $1 or more per meal anyhow on average.
Exactly. Taste is more important than healthiness. When you're on a tight budget, you have to choose either of them (unless you have cooking skills).However, concern over the quality of the food we eat tends to be the last thing on our mind.
No, you cannot. You are absolutely wrong on this point. Poor quality, processed food is much less expensive than healthy, natural nutritious food. And no, we are not talking about $9 mango salsa (way to entirely miss his point). A box of Kraft Mac & Cheese costs $0.89. A bag of organically grown carrots costs $2.00.
If you don't understand what we are talking about, that is fine, ask questions. I work in the food industry. I work for an organic farm. I know PRECISELY what I'm talking about.
Precisely, and right now, junky fast food and processed crap (i.e. canned meat) in stores is cheaper than healthy, nutritious food that you buy ingredients for and make yourself. How are you not understanding this?
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Read back a bit regarding your posts. You do realize (and I can't believe I get to say this) that it doesn't matter what you believe if it doesn't coincide with reality, right?
(the less you know, the more you believe)
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I also don't know what he means by 'subsidizing junk food production'. I've never heard of that happening; junk food production doesn't need government handouts, that's for sure! In fact, I recall in Toronto, they stopped putting junk food in the school vending machines. Quite the opposite of subsidization!
Is it so hard to fathom that a factory can mass produce 100000 1kg bags of frozen corn and ship it to the store for the same price that 10000 ears of fresh corn costs BEFORE shipping?
Let me put it into another perspective.
At my restaurant, we buy fresh tomatoes for $16 for about 10kg.
We also use canned crushed tomatoes for our red sauce. Why? Because I get a 3kg can of crushed tomatoes - with reduced water volume - for $1.15.
When you go through about 10 cans a day, that adds up. Food cost is the second largest expense in the restaurant business (after labour), and I have a responsibility to the owners to keep that food cost as low as possible, while still maintaining a standard of quality.
600g (21oz) pork-beef ground meat = 3€
2kg (70oz) Frozen Vedgetables = 1.5€
accessories = max 0.5€
=> 5€ for atleast 10 portions of soup
=> 0.5€/portion
And these are in Finnish expensive prices (Value Added Tax etc).
EDIT: Forgot potatoes, reduce some frz vedgetables for slightly more expensive potatoes.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/mone...subsidies.html
Last edited by mmoc43ae88f2b9; 2012-01-28 at 04:54 PM.
Just because its organic doesn't mean its better.
No, you can't. I can't be any more clear than this. You cannot. You are wrong.
You have like, five people - all of whom live in the United States or Canada - telling you that you can't. One of them is a chef that runs a restaurant.
The other is an employee of an organic farm. I don't know if the others are involved in the food industry.
How can you, a person who doesn't even live here, tell us what things cost?
Hey Diurdi, in Finland it rains COCKS. I read it in a book, and no matter what you say to the contrary, I'm going to keep insisting that it rains cocks.
It doesn't matter that you live there, and that I've never been there. It doesn't matter if you are a meteorologist and can tell me beyond a shadow of a doubt that it does not, in fact, rain cocks in Finland. It doesn't even matter if there are several people from Finland in this thread telling me otherwise.
I'm going to keep on suggesting that it rains cocks in Finland, because by god, it JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE OTHERWISE!
That is how ridiculous you sound.
I know. I find organic fruits and vegetables to taste better, though.
Also, I know that they are grown locally rather than shipped in from like, Thailand, and I feel good about supporting local agriculture.
Finally, I can feed it to myself and my guests knowing that no one is going to be eating any pesticides or preservatives from something made in MY kitchen.
And that's super neat that you have missed the two most important points in your previous arguments.
First, the food you listed is neither fresh nor nutritious. It's frozen, processed (read the ingredients of your "pork-beef ground meat - they are euphemisms for "shit left on the processing floor after we slaughter the animals) and drained of most of the nutritious qualities.
Second, we are talking about prices in Canada and the U.S., per your own statement.
It's why you can get frozen/canned food so much cheaper than food bought in the fresh produce section.
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We are talking about the same thing. I'm not sure you know what organic means.
As long as Dr. Doom is running the world, I'd support it.
Dr. Doom for President!
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The thing about a one world government is petty simple, as long as I'm running it, it would work fine. But sadly, that's only a 1 in 7 billion chance, so it's more likely it will ge screwed up
religion will die out sooner than u might think, the biggest problems of our world are religion and nationalism. those two things are the reason for every war, every conflict and genocide. whoever thinks the world is better off if ran by many nations and their religions is an insult to humanity.