True Capitalism or True Communism?

[Kasierith]

Neither - rather Anarchy.

Pure capitalism is essentially anarchy..

[Deleted]

Pure capitalism is essentially anarchy..

Not even close...

[Linkedblade]

Capitalism - many monopoly companies
Communism - dictatorship

Someone doesn't know that economic systems are not the same as government structures, hehe.
I'm not voting, because no matter what both of these economies are sompletely vulnerable to greed and corruption.

[Palmatum]

Communism. But greed leads to corruption in both, so we'll never see either.

[Kasierith]

Not even close...

Pure capitalism would mean that law enforcement systems would be based on profit, not on the common good. Law enforcement is essentially a socialist system. So really, as long as you have the money for it, it is possible to change the laws to suit your own needs.

[CaptainArlong]

True communism, but it can never happen due to the lazy and greedy nature of human beings.

[Shiny212]

True communism is utopia, of course it will only work if we have unlimited resources and the acquisition of wealth ceases to become the driving force of human life.

[Diraction]

Which would you prefer?

True Capitalism or true Communism?

What does the "true" adjective add to the question? If you had just said "capitalism" vs. "communism" do you think people would read that and think "gee, I wonder if he really means capitalism and communism or some sort of fake facsimile?"

[Shiny212]

What does the "true" adjective add to the question? If you had just said "capitalism" vs. "communism" do you think people would read that and think "gee, I wonder if he really means capitalism and communism or some sort of fake facsimile?"

why don't you google it

[Gothicshark]

True Communism is the most Idealistic system ever imagined by humans, it is also the least likely system to ever work. Where as pure Capitalism is just business with out any regulations or taxes, the US is fairly close to this already. in fact China which is a Socialistic Nation which claims Communism is also very close to a pure Capitalistic nation as well.

I think what should be asked is not a political theory vs an economic theory, it should be a either a battle of economic theories or a battle of political theories.

Under Pure Communism the Economic theory would be direct exchange trade system, since money and wealth no longer exists in a communism. Oh and this would be very similar to the barter system. To be truthful the closest thing to a pure communism would be tribal cultures. This system works on small scales but could never work for a nation of millions.

Directly opposed is the Federal Republic, This is the system in which America has used since the end of the (Civil War, War Between the States depending on which version of history you prefer.) In a Federal Republic personal wealth is encouraged, although it has strengths and weakness for the same reasons. Generally this system works rather well for large population groups.

[Knight Gil]

True communism, but it can never happen due to the lazy and greedy nature of human beings.

So according to you, a system where people can make a living by being lazy and greedy is better than one where people need to actually work.

True communism never works in the long run. Basic nature says, if I can achieve the same thing with less work, I will do that without question and hesitation. Enjoy .1 doctors per capita and 25 janitors per capita

And according to you, achieving money is all that matters in life, since you capitalist advocates pretend it's the only incentive to work

I'm no communist, but the amount of falacious, misinformed arguments people use to defend capitalism are ridiculous.

[Xeyu]

Yeah, True Communism. But that's an utopia. never going to work. someone somewhere high ranked will think "i could just get a little bit more then everyone else right" and then it's back to crappy communism the world experienced before.

[Kasierith]

The essential problem in achieving true communism is identifying how to go there. You can look at the progression of wealth through human history and see that there is a... break between modern wealth and communist wealth

1: No wealth at all
2: Wealth by necessary objects. Barter system used to initiate trade
3. Wealth by symbolic objects. Currency and jewels have a theoretical value tied to them
4. Wealth by position. Your wealth is determined by your place in social hierarchy; feudal system and medieval Church
5. Wealth by craft. your wealth is determined by what you do to life and what you can bring to society
?????
7. Wealth by contribution. You contribute to society, and therefore receive what you need in return. Wealth is no longer necessary

[Sunseeker]

True communism. I don't like the idea of altruism motivated through self-interest. I'd rather it be honest-to-goodness selflessness.

[Venziir]

Given that the true communism can actually exist in its intended form by somehow circumventing human greed?

True communism any day. But... that's a pretty tall limitation to overcome

Best of luck...

[Seegtease]

Wow, I can't believe so many people are picking true communism.

Guy A works really hard, and gets paid 50 bucks. Guy B is really lazy and gets paid 50 bucks. Guy A notices Guy B, and decides he doesn't want to work very hard. So the next day, they both do little work, and get paid 40 bucks. Guy C wonders why he's getting paid less, and notices Guy A and B. They decide they don't want to be the one so they start slacking their work as well.

Communism doesn't incentivize people to work hard, it makes people work less hard.

Yeah, I realize the whole "people are lazy and greedy" argument works against BOTH communism and capitalism, but it's far more damaging to communism. Communism could only work if everybody in the group were absolutely moral, willing to do their part, and agreeable with everybody else. Anything less causes it to fall apart, which is in pretty much every scenario.

Eventually, you have to start excommunicating/killing off the leeches in a communist society, or it'll fall apart. And that's totally not cool.

[Gothicshark]

Wow, I can't believe so many people are picking true communism.

Guy A works really hard, and gets paid 50 bucks. Guy B is really lazy and gets paid 50 bucks. Guy A notices Guy B, and decides he doesn't want to work very hard. So the next day, they both do little work, and get paid 40 bucks. Guy C wonders why he's getting paid less, and notices Guy A and B. They decide they don't want to be the one so they start slacking their work as well.

Communism doesn't incentivize people to work hard, it makes people work less hard.

Yeah, I realize the whole "people are lazy and greedy" argument works against BOTH communism and capitalism, but it's far more damaging to communism. Communism could only work if everybody in the group were absolutely moral, willing to do their part, and agreeable with everybody else. Anything less causes it to fall apart, which is in pretty much every scenario.

Eventually, you have to start excommunicating/killing off the leeches in a communist society, or it'll fall apart. And that's totally not cool.

You see you have no understanding of what communism is.

In a communism, Guy A works really hard gets pain nothing, he however trades his work for food and shelter to his collective. Guy B also has to work for the collective or he doesn't get food and shelter, but as long as he continues to contribute to society he will continue to be maintained. Guy C wants more food and shelter so he works harder to get back more. Oh and this system is exactly how any tribal system works. It does not cater to wealth or lazy, if you are lazy you don't eat, and you don't have shelter. Conversely, if you are old, injured, or disabled your community will take care of you. or leave you out for the wolves... well not always.

[Deleted]

Neither, they're both bad. True capitalism is wild capitalism where big companies screw you over, true communism is where you hold down the lazy people by yur working and you get less because of them.

[Oniax]

Capitalism all the way.

[Gothicshark]

Neither, they're both bad. True capitalism is wild capitalism where big companies screw you over, true communism is where you hold down the lazy people by yur working and you get less because of them.

False and false.

True Capitalism still needs consumers. And true communism is what you see with tribal systems before the invention of wealth and money.

True communist looks like this.


True capitalist looks like this.