so it turns out the 7-8 other people injured were shot by police. they apparently fired 16 shots to take him down. i believe as i said earlier, police are no more qualified to carry a weapon, and definitely need more training.
so it turns out the 7-8 other people injured were shot by police. they apparently fired 16 shots to take him down. i believe as i said earlier, police are no more qualified to carry a weapon, and definitely need more training.
Did I say people don't kill? If I did not why are you saying your statements as though I have. I know people kill people will always kill but arming everyone doesn't suddenly make everyone safe. I rather live in a safer place besides America at this moment honestly. The ridiculousness of people who refuse to see the issues of lax gun laws is just too much.
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Stop lying.
1999 to 2005 there were 5 murders. Last I checked we're not in 2015, I need to find data for 2006 to 2012 sure there were a few murders then too.
Also there are towns of same size/comparable size in New Jersey that have seen decreased crime, including 0-1 murders per year, and everyone doesn't own a gun.
Fairlawn has a decent population and has very very very low rates of crimes.
Last edited by Themius; 2012-08-25 at 04:42 AM.
Bullbaiting is normally seen as jackassery in the gun community. Most see it as a guy just trying to win a paycheck from the cops. However those people baiting cops wouldn't get anything if the cops knew the gun laws they are trying to enforce.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law...%28by_state%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law..._United_States
That is a small overview of US gun law. You're free to review it.
As long as that weirdo isn't harming anyone I'm not sure why you should care.
As an honest law abiding citizen I don't want to be punished for someone else's crime.
First: Most AK-47s in the US are just semi-auto rifles. They are not what most people would call a machine gun.
Second: It's not about need. Just like you don't need the exact brand/model of car you have. Or that junk food you ate. Or that beer you drank.
Last edited by Extrazero8; 2012-08-25 at 08:08 AM.
Well to the OP, gun ownership in the US is a controversial issue. The right to bear arms is the 2nd Amendment of our constitution. When propositions, statutes, or bills are are given to the general public the priority is the constitutionality of that legislation. If you tried to pass a law for example to ban people from acquiring more than one gun, you would generally have to argue that this law was somehow compatible with the 2nd amendment right to bear arms. Very few issues have been overturned by the Supreme Court, and usually these issues have to do with civil rights. If you hear about Plessy vs Ferguson, Roe vs Wade, or the Dredd Scott decision, these are all examples of that.
I just need to understand something.
Like pro-gun folks, have you been paying attention to, i don't know, Venezuela, or Pakistan or Palestine?
If you want an example of paragons of gun-dominated societies, those are your examples. Those countries are what you're wanting to tack the US closer to when you make these silly "everyone should have a gun" arguments.
Why exactly, are you so intent on turning our country into something more resembling these, some of the worst countries in the world?
Because 100% gun ownership is never going to happen.
Never.
Going.
To.
Happen.
You honestly expect my grandmother to get one? Or what about my 5'2", 105lbs cousin? Or my Medical Doctor father. You want batshit insane? Picturing anyone except a certain type of person, never mind ALL Americans, as owning a fire arm is batshit insane.
And you know what? That's exactly the problem with the countries I listed. It's not that ALL People have guns. It's that CERTAIN people do. And these people have a tendency to organize and a tendency to use their stockpile of firearms to get their way vis a vis versus the majority who never will have one, never fired one, and never need one. Rule of the gun prevails. The armed get their way over the unarmed.
That's where the "everyone has a gun" fantasy gets blown to smithereens. Because if the US can't even meet full penetration on immunizations or literacy, it's never going to get it for gun ownership. And thus those with guns will quickly begin to throw their weight around against the unarmed. It's the same damn thing and it's happened across cultural lines. Venezuela wasn't even particularly dangerous 20 years ago. About 5 years ago Hugo Chavez ordered a shipment of half a million AK-47s to his poor supporters to "protect the revolution" and keep the peace. And you know what these enlightened, newly armed revolutionaries did? They turned Caracas into the most dangerous city on planet Earth (even worse than Baghdad at the height of the Iraq War) and its Kidnapping capital. People, once unarmed, now heavily armed, use their guns to do whatever they want. And now the situation is out of control.
I seriously wonder what sick moral universe advocates of this world come from... lets see... a world made safe by EVERYONE having a deadly weapon that can kill people, or a world made safe by NO ONE having a deadly weapon that can kill people. Gee that's a toughie.
You have your 2nd Amendment. That's it. Constitution also counted black people as 3/5ths a white male land owner for a good 75 years. It says lots of things. But this bizarre, mideavil fantasy world where everyone from twelve year olds to grandmothers wields pistols and revolvers like a goddamn sword? It's a joke, made funnier by the fact that you don't see it as one. You see it as something completely logical and rational.
Fair enough, but remember, in a gun control debate, the gun grabbers have to make the case. Whether or not this HUGE percentage of gun ownership has entirely eliminated murder, it shows that most certainly crime does not increase with nearly full participation of the citizenry, and almost assuredly decreases.
Which isn't a fair comparison, even remotely. PRESUMABLY there's a lot of things going on, right? So what happens with the AVERAGE case? Everyone is throwing the dice, so you can't just pick the most or least violent city and be like, look, it didn't roll all nines like this town did. To test this case, you would have to compare with the average, not a handpicked city that you chose after the data was already in.Also there are towns of same size/comparable size in New Jersey that have seen decreased crime, including 0-1 murders per year, and everyone doesn't own a gun.
Kennesaw, Georgia, as a town, has refuted gun control as a policy in America.
The city's website claims the city has the lowest crime rate in the county.
See, this is relevant data, not comparison to one single cherry-picked data point in Jersey.
EDIT:
Interesting result from the google when I searched this town up:
http://www.examiner.com/article/open...bbery-kennesaw
Last edited by Verain; 2012-08-25 at 12:15 PM.
To paraphrase a joke I once heard:
The anti-gun man tries to understand the thug that just broke into his house and raped and murdered his wife.
The pro-gun man kills the thug the second he steps on his property.
If people are allowed to carry a gun for their own protection why cant I carry a broadsword, axe, rpg, crossbow, poisoned dagger or electrified whip?
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Heard a similar one once:
The anti-gun man calls the police while a thief is stealing his tv and calls his insurance company the next morning.
The pro-gun man shoots the thief in his spine, cripling him for the rest of his life, rapes his crippled body and makes love to his precious precious tv.
Both jokes are completely irrelevant and utterly ridiculous though.
Excuse me? I'm from NJ. Don't try and bullshit me. Fair Lawn is a wealthy neighborhood with at least $100,000/family median income.
"This just in, Crime low in wealthy neighborhoods!"
Kennesaw is still above average for Georgia but still way below what anyone would consider upper middle class.
actually...if i may interject lol. I probably shouldnt let all the antis here see this but just to make a point. If you dont feel like spending $10,000+ and waiting 6 months you can spend anywhere from 300-400 on one of these. They are currently deemed completely legal by the ATF due to the mechanics of how it works. My brother has one on his AK and i just put one on a co-workers.
If you are familiar with my posts you know im probably one of the most pro gun people here, and while this thing surely put a smile on my face...it scares the shit out of me when i think of how easy it is for some nutjob to get one. Granted, Fully automatic fire of any kind is basically a waste of ammo, and there is a good chance you will miss more than you will hit, but these are very controllable and in a huge crowd it would really be a mess.
you can get them here
http://www.slidefire.com/
Its basically a stock that allows you to easily bumpfire
Now, if you know how to do it, you can actually bumpfire from the shoulder (most people are only able to do it by hooking their thumb in their belt loop) without even using a stock. In this video im using my AR15 chambered in 9mm. This was before i got the suppressor and shortened the barrel so there was a bit more recoil which actually helped.
now like i said, this will probably only give the antis more fodder due to the fact you can replicate near full auto fire with a semi automatic weapon.
Last edited by vaeevictiss; 2012-08-25 at 04:54 PM.
I love that second video. I've seen some of his videos before and that looks like so much fun. I wish I had some property to set up a range like that.
Bump fire is just a fun trick though. There's a big difference between bump firing and actually having a real automatic weapon.