Perhaps something to do with the whole Bieber generation? YOLO and other amazing stuff?
People these days don't even know what it means to be hit by this
Perhaps something to do with the whole Bieber generation? YOLO and other amazing stuff?
People these days don't even know what it means to be hit by this
People confuse growing up with having more responsibilities, which isn't always the case. Being truly *hardcore* is spending a shit ton of time in a very short time frame to get everything done quickly so you can go back to doing what you were doing before. A lot of people can do that, and a lot of people can not. Those who tend to have less going on in their lives do the former rather easily. Sure, they'll spend less time overall compared to everyone else, but at the expense of the 2-3 weeks of doing almost nothing but playing.
That has little to do with my point.
No. Hardcore :Being truly *hardcore* is spending a shit ton of time in a very short time frame to get everything done quickly so you can go back to doing what you were doing before. A lot of people can do that, and a lot of people can not. Those who tend to have less going on in their lives do the former rather easily. Sure, they'll spend less time overall compared to everyone else, but at the expense of the 2-3 weeks of doing almost nothing but playing.
Seeing typical attitude of those so-called hardcores I'm not surprised Blizz is trying to get rid of them. They just create bad image for WoW with all the bashing, naming and shaming and so on. Bad PR is bad.
Not nerfing the hardest content (heroic raids when there are normal and LFR raiding modes) would be a nice start. That alone drove me away from the game, and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone. I don't really understand the point of difficulty modes when you achieve the same thing through nerfing all content on a week by week basis. Same thing happened in Diablo 3, and it's just as messed up there.
Well, they get older, get jobs, family etc.
Ofcourse guilds like Paragon can't run with the same crew they did in Vanilla, you'd be insane to Raid hardcore in WoW for 7 years, either way you'd end up with no real life whatsoever.
WoW is a game, playing it hardcore is fun for a year or 2, and that's about it, you act as if it's a real sport like Soccer.
Why would they keep playing a game that literally offers no content to them?
Last edited by Soulstrike; 2012-09-03 at 07:27 AM.
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Wait until MoP's release. They'll all be back in force then for the world first race.
It's quite natural that they won't be playing at the moment, since they'll have had DS on farm since the first couple months of 4.3. They just won't need to keep playing for the entire patch; they'll be back though. Just wait and see.
My mute, arthritis ridden, quadriplegic monkey was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize last year for his ground-breaking advances in cancer research but he refused to accept the award stating "I'll be playing my double glad retadin in 3v3 that night with my 6 year old 2s partner and her little sister's fiancé".
Being passionate is quite a bit more than just enjoying the game. You can play casually and enjoy the game, but if you starts becoming passionate, you will not just consider it a killtime and you will start to involve yourself in - which is the main difference between a casual and a hardcore.
Because as you have no doubt noticed, it's a bit of the main problem with "casuals" and "hardcores" meanings : about everyone has his own definition of what each one is, and usually a definition that allows him to denigrate the "other side" while showing "his side" in a good light.
This is why I prefer to fall back to the, well, actual definition of the words you can see in the dictionary, rather than the myriads of definitions you can see in the WoW subculture. And the original meaning of "casual" means roughly something you do without paying too much attention, without involving yourself, without taking it really seriously. For a game, that would mean considering it as a way to kill time or to have some light fun.
It has little to do with the AMOUNT of time (you can spend hours playing Solitaire if you're bored, it doesn't mean you invest yourself in it, just that you have lots of time to waste).
It has little to do with the ability (some people are just very talented and can be incredibly good at something even if they don't invest themselves at all in it).
It has little to do with wasting your life (this is a case of being responsible, not being hardcore or casual, I've personnally saw some "casuals" who still did nothing of their life, and the overwhelming majority of "hardcore" I'm acquainted with have good works and a family).
What is has all to do with, is how you consider the subject : is it just a past-time, or is it a strong hobby you really involve yourself in ?
That's the only actual relevant difference.
Let me quote myself, as I specifically wrote this part for such posts :
Oh, and to all the idiots talking about "growing up" : maybe it'll be a shock to you, but the entire world isn't a copy-paste of you. Many people were actually already adults with a work and a family when the game was released, and as such they didn't need to "grow up out of being hardcore". Try to see beyond your own navel, thanks, being "hardcore" is not about being a kid (nor it is about spending godawful amount of time or even being good) it's only about being involved and passionate.
Amusingly, this kind of post is much more offensive than the one it attempts to take a jab at, and funnily enough it's much more common. In other words, from what I see on these forums, self-styled "casuals" are usually much ruder and more insulting than the ones they accuse of having a bad mentality.
Pots and kettles.
They sure aint gone, but they are less now days, and that will continue in MOP I bet.
How many of the sub 1k world ranked players there exsist however...thats a good number If we see that dwindling inn to, it sure is to blame cause of shitty content.
Last edited by vizzle; 2012-09-03 at 11:08 AM.
Why am I back here, I don't even play these games anymore
The problem with the internet is parallel to its greatest achievement: it has given the little man an outlet where he can be heard. Most of the time however, the little man is a little man because he is not worth hearing.
Assuming i understand your random rambling that barely make any sense.
I play the game.
Who said i considered myself hardcore? I raided 6-9 hours a week killed H:Madness in March, its far from Hardcore and my kill date is nothing special. I didn't want to invest myself in PvE more anyway, there's no reason to, i prefer PvP for competitivity.
I'm still here because i like my guild and i like pvp.
This game literally offers no incentive for dedicated players to keep playing it if they're strictly PvE. The only way to "stand out", wich is the goal of anyone investing himself in any kind of interactive activities, is via 3rd party websites/tools such as World of Logs rankings and Raidbots percentiles. Being a high end raider literally offers nothing in the game at the moment, and prolly won't ever offer anything again. So, this is why i consider hardcore raiders have no content left for them.
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Biggest problem with Naxx was that it was current for only a very very small amount of time. A fraction of the time ICC or DS were out. With Sunwell they just way over-estimated the playerbase imo.
Last edited by GrieverXIII; 2012-09-03 at 11:21 AM.
Where was this "let's not put people into box" mentality when all the idiots were spamming the same "hardcore have grow up" ? Are you affected by selective reading, or are you just affected by selective targeting ?
Anyway, my point was simply that plenty of people were already adults with responsabilities when starting to play WoW, and as such they didn't had to "grow up out of it", as they were already grown up to begin with.
(oh, and to whoever wants to make a smartass comment instead of actually going for the relevant point : yes you can grow up even after becoming an adult, but that's obviously a very different level of growth than the one we see in this preconception ; don't play dumb, thanks)
Last edited by Akka; 2012-09-03 at 11:49 AM.