Yep. I said it before and I'll say it again: people defending this have their head so far up their ass, they can't see clearly anymore; it's a perfect example of sunk-cost.
Obviously no one can debate that worth is subjective. You can however form an opinion based on objective observation, which is what I did.
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And why are you going on about dungeons again, mythic dungeons are a joke and no challenge so why would anyone need to pay for doing anything regarding them, people pay boosts primarily for stuff they cant access when its current. The only boosts in mythic dungeons people buy is for high keys.
Everyone knew what they were backing at the kickstarter so what does it matter if someone has a slightly better ship, just like what does it matter if that player in WoW has AOTC and all the mythic raid titles, and if you paid to get those titles you cant say you earnt them properly, endgame is different in both games and until the game is ready to release p2w is still not relevant until we know all the ingame mechanics.
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@Myobi Is it just me or in that last quote you linked did kenn9530 pull a "No True Scottsman"?
The services i mention are primarily raid/pvp services of which cost upwards of millions of gold but we can throw it in the bin if you wish.
The only thing that really matters is if that player gets enough enjoyment out of that purchase, personally i would rather have something useful ingame for that purchase other than something purely cosmetic, someone is always going to have an advantage over you in any game just because they can invest twice as many hours into the game or has a extra money but once the game is out there will be no more ship purchases.
If there are extra features in the game it cant be a bad thing and having them integrated while in development should be much smoother than adding them on later, and with the law system your not going to want to blow up ships too often in high sec space unless you want patrols to come after you.
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I love how "endgame" keeps popping up.
They always told me I would miss my family... but I never miss from close range.
The law system is an ingame mechanic already implemented and the higher criminal status the harder the patrols after you so its a know mechanic, now we just need criminal status mechanics implemented to actually know some of the consequences there will be to being an outlaw.
Star Citizen allows anyone to earn all the ships ingame, only thing you wont be able to get is certain cosmetics, WoW on the other hand has tons of items you have to spend real money on and some go for thousands of dollars, i would rather that money be for something actually useful ingame rather just afkn sitting on your spectral tiger TCG mount, so why is it not ok to spend money in SC when you can buy useless cosmetic stuff for the same amount of money for WoW?
The only time when have a different ship will actually be relevant is with PvP and if you have no skill your not guaranteed to win so most of the time it wont matter what ship your in.
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This line is so full of shit it is painful. Go ahead, show us on the WoW shop the thousand dollar items. You are acting like the bullshit in SC is normal. Fun fact, just because an out of print card game has rewards you can get in game and people charge thousands of dollars for them does not mean Blizzard is turning around with a 1k price tag on a tiger mount. And "tons of items"??? You are confusing WoW with SC as far as the cash shop goes.
I can tell you one thing though, one is actually a released game and has been for years, the other is a money pit that has put out small snippets and can't get the complete game out.
TCG items sold for real money for the item you bought with real money is within ToShttps://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/...6723?page=1#12, while they dont directly sell the digital items it was blizz who choose that kind of lootbox system in the first place so its obvious the rare items will sell for alot. How many packs do people buy before they get that item they actually want.
Plus i never actaully said blizz were directly selling tcg items, they introduced a lootbox system in buying cards in which a collector would have to pay tons of money to get everything, the items should be earnable ingame bar some things here and there.
actually blizz do it much worse than SC in all the microtransactions, while it may be smaller price tags they have many ways to take money from players.
The purchases in SC are funding development, the game wouldnt be made without it so its either accept that they are selling ships or find another game so you dont waste time moaning about SC anymore
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and how is a ship going to impact gameplay of other players, other players are still going to destroy your ship if thats what they choose to do and it wont take long to earn better ships ingame anyway, you dont have to always fight and if you have nothing to lose you may aswell do as much damage as possible to make it costly, have you even tried the combat in the game it take some measure of skill to even hit someone especially in a smaller ship.
There are advantages and disadvantages to every ship, you seem to think that someone having a certain ship will make things unplayable.
Cant remember prices but freelancer is like 1.2 mill, constellation 4 mill and hammerhead around 12 million, so shouldnt take long to earn some of the smaller ships.
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Really weird to see this charade still going, and people still paying and believing in it. I've pledged myself as well to this, in 2013, but I was young and I didn't knew much, game looked really well in trailers. So I said hell yes, this game is going to be AMAZING!
Then I actually played it, and had it installed for maybe 2 years.
My subjective opinion is that Chris Roberts is too incompetent to deliver the game that was promised, and over committed on ridiculous, trivial features.
I don't flame people that still believe in it, but admire that you can be loyal and invest yourself in such a terrible mess.
Obviously I still hope that some day we will play the game we all want to, but given what I see so far, and what happened so far, and the road ahead, I'm VERY skeptical.
Actually the Kickstarter was to fund development but they pissed that money away and then decided to sell as many items as they could before the game released.
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Hahahahahaha oh wait you're serious? Let me laugh even harder, HAHAHAHAHA. Let's see game that has been out for 15 years vs game that hasn't officially released as a complete game yet... had a cash shop before it was even playable in any state.... Huh, I didn't know paying 25 dollars for a cosmetic mount or paying for a race change or something was the same thing as dropping 900 dollars on a ship and hell that wasn't even the most expensive thing SC has tried to sell is it? Nope.
Let's not forget many people can buy these cosmetic things with gold, yes SOMEONE is paying the 20 dollar cost to provide 15 in bnet for someone, but for the person spending gold, they are getting it for free in their eyes.
Do you honestly believe that the game could of been made with just 2.1 million, even the version back then would of been impossible.
in uk currency 13 appearence change, 19 transfer, 27 faction change, 9 name change, 19 race change, around 40 for a boost and 17 wow token not to mention 14 pets at 9, and 14 mounts at 19 and a few other things you can spend money on so there is plenty of pointless stuff for you to bleed money and even if you used the wow token method the person buying the tokens makes up the difference so blizz dont lose any money.
Your saying its ok for wow to bleed players for no reason just because its released, but SC is using funds for development and that ship is just a reward for helping the game.
And again you ignore that the money to buy those ships is being used for development, SC is on a bigger scale than AAA games and its more complex than any other game on the market.
If you want a space game then SC is the only true one being made and you would be waiting even longer for anyone to try especially since space MMO genre is a niche market.
just need to look at the big picture as a whole, the game probably has grown a tad too much but its coming along and we can clearly see the progress, if another company was developing the game it may come faster but it would probably be released as an incomplete game and just be another ok game but for good or worse chris wants a proper space MMO and it should be a much better game in the end even if it takes a little longer.
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Were they not the ones claiming to deliver a game with the funds raised? Yes, they were. Go look at the Kickstarter page and what it was for. It wasn't a "Hey let us just get started a bit so we can open a MASSIVE cash shop and milk you guys further" kickstarter.
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Do you need 13 appearance changes, 19 transfers, 27 faction changes, 9 name changes, 19 race changes and blah blah blah? No. Most people don't need ANY of these things. By the way NONE of these things increase your power. It isn't like WoW is selling an epic set of gear on the cash shop unlike SC where you can just flat out buy stronger ships.
I'm quite aware of how the Blizz token works as I even said Blizz makes 20 dollars on a token sale but only provides 15 in bnet balance to the person buying it. The difference is the person buying the token for gold does not give a shit if someone else bought the token for 20 dollars, to the person buying the token with gold they are getting bnet balance for free.
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No one is being bled, you don't need a single thing on the WoW cash shop. Blizz put out the game, has maintained the game and takes in monthly sub fees and box sales/expansion sales. They didn't try to half ass the game and whine for money from consumers.
SC aimed for the stars, kept adding in feature creep and bloat and now has to get funding from players to continue...Oh wait, they are also taking in outside sources of revenue from companies as well. It isn't even a fully crowd funded project anymore.
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Yeah sorry, that isn't my problem that they are trying to release something this feature creeped, bloated, blah blah blah. They have proven over and over that they are clueless with their money, miss deadlines over and over and yet continue to ask for handouts for in game pixels. You can be a sucker if you want and drop 900 dollars on a ship, I'd rather put my money in established games that aren't a train wreck.
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a TAD?!? Holy shit man. If this debacle is a TAD I'd love to see what you actually think is a cash wasting disaster that has spiraled out of control.
The kickstarter was for a project to create a AAA game if possible and due to meeting all the goals thats the game the playerbase wanted.
In SC that ship doesnt give you power, if unskilled then you can be destroyed by someone in a starter ship, it doesnt affect gameplay in the slightest as if someone wants to kill you then they would do it anyway regardless of what ship either of you are using, and ingame mechanics are going to limit the amount of players who even want to try a criminal playstyle, and in PvE gameplay what ship your in is irrelevant, this game is also meant to be played on groups so team up with someone with a better ship.
You can put your money anywhere you want but if someone wants to spend money on a ship its up to them.
Would you rather have a complete game with too many features or something that missing features that end up making that game feel less overall, im happy to wait a little longer.
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Mmmhmm sure, I'm sure having more crew, more guns, more armor, etc has no effect on gameplay. That's why everyone will be flying starter ships because they don't matter right? Oh wait you mean larger ships go faster, have more space, etc etc. Right. It's ONLY about pvp with these ships..Oh wait, that isn't the case? Oops.
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Wasn't this game supposed to release in 2014? I mean Nov 2014 was the date they set in KS. I mean you've been waiting 5 years now, what's another 5 right? I dunno about you, but I think a complete game after 7 years of development isn't a big ask in this day and age. But that is if it was released today, it won't be for years. How long until we call it Duke Nukem levels of incompetence?