The Problem of GW2 PvE

[Fencers]

I don't know if you're being serious or not, hard to tell over the interwebs. Anyway, all MMO's have some form of repetition regarding desirable loot.

It's not really hard to tell over the interwebs. The statement is true.

Run dungeons in GW2 to buy gear with badges.
Run dungeons in Rift to buy gear with badges.
Run dungeons in WoW to buy gear with points.
Run dungeons in Radiant Arcana to buy gear with tokens.
Run dungeons in TOR to buy gear with...

It's all the same really.

[nocturnus]

It's a little frustrating...intellectually I know this should be true, but there's still that other part of my human brain saying, "HEY! NO! WHAT THE HELL!? THAT OTHER GUY GOT THE SAME THING YOU DID, BUT DIDN'T DO ANYTHING FOR IT!"

I suppose that's somewhat natural. Not really a big deal either way in a video game, though.

I hate to break it to you, but that's exactly what elitism is. You might remember wow's elitist players crying about blizzard "dumbing down" raids when Normals/LFR/Tiers for emblems were introduced. Obviously a completely ignorant statement. The hard content is still there. The difficulty others choose doesn't affect them in any way.

They simply added more accessible content which infuriated the self proclaimed elites. The 'baddies' (or actually the people who aren't able to sacrifice such a large portion of their lives for a game) could run around in the same gear as they did (with slightly inferior stats).

Oooh the tears they shed, beautiful. "But no one will gaze upon my armor and stand in awe after these changes!"

[Deleted]

I hate to break it to you, but that's exactly what elitism is. You might remember wow's elitist players crying about blizzard "dumbing down" raids when Normals/LFR/Tiers for emblems were introduced. Obviously a completely ignorant statement. The hard content is still there. The difficulty others choose doesn't affect them in any way.

They simply added more accessible content which infuriated the self proclaimed elites. The 'baddies' (or actually the people who aren't able to sacrifice such a large portion of their lives for a game) could run around in the same gear as they did (with slightly inferior stats).

Oooh the tears they shed, beautiful. "But no one will gaze upon my armor and stand in awe after these changes!"

And to give everything to everyone is communism which is at least so big bullshit than the elitism. People are not on the same level, no matter what try to imply a few braindead liberalist. Competitions, racing exist to show the difference between the different persons, units and reward them on different level. It`s exist in sport, games and basically in every aspects of life. Only 1 gold medal for the best and even to enter to the given competition you must be better than the rest. They have the talent, they placed much more time, energy, money and effort to reach the higher level than the rest of the mankind. For example: I can run. Most of the mankind can run. But not everybody can go to the olympics. And I do not have the right (nor the will)to complain about it.

[VibrantViolet]

And to give everything to everyone is communism which is at least so big bullshit than the elitism. People are not on the same level, no matter what try to imply a few braindead liberalist. Competitions, racing exist to show the difference between the different persons, units and reward them on different level. It`s exist in sport, games and basically in every aspects of life. Only 1 gold medal for the best and even to enter to the given competition you must be better than the rest. They have the talent, they placed much more time, energy, money and effort to reach the higher level than the rest of the mankind. For example: I can run. Most of the mankind can run. But not everybody can go to the olympics. And I do not have the right (nor the will)to complain about it.

You are taking this WAY too seriously. It's a game....comparing it to Communism is really extreme.

[Deleted]

If you read it carefully I did not compare to communism, but racing and competitions. Which is everywhere, started from the school (or even more earlier) until death. "the dog on top does the screwing"

[Valeron]

Comparing game systems to communism and socialism, now I've seen it all.

[melodramocracy]

And to give everything to everyone is communism which is at least so big bullshit than the elitism. People are not on the same level, no matter what try to imply a few braindead liberalist. Competitions, racing exist to show the difference between the different persons, units and reward them on different level. It`s exist in sport, games and basically in every aspects of life. Only 1 gold medal for the best and even to enter to the given competition you must be better than the rest. They have the talent, they placed much more time, energy, money and effort to reach the higher level than the rest of the mankind. For example: I can run. Most of the mankind can run. But not everybody can go to the olympics. And I do not have the right (nor the will)to complain about it.

Your analogy is beyond awful. In any and every other sport, game, etc, there are multiple levels of challenge. There are organized leagues far below the level of pro sports, for example, where folks can enjoy themselves playing the same game the pros do. Is the competition as tough? No. Is the possible reward for winning as high? No. Are the rules the same? Yes. There's nothing "communist" about that.

[Stellan]

And to give everything to everyone is communism which is at least so big bullshit than the elitism. People are not on the same level, no matter what try to imply a few braindead liberalist. Competitions, racing exist to show the difference between the different persons, units and reward them on different level. It`s exist in sport, games and basically in every aspects of life. Only 1 gold medal for the best and even to enter to the given competition you must be better than the rest. They have the talent, they placed much more time, energy, money and effort to reach the higher level than the rest of the mankind. For example: I can run. Most of the mankind can run. But not everybody can go to the olympics. And I do not have the right (nor the will)to complain about it.

Video games aren't real life and they aren't a competition. So your argument is irrelevant.

[nocturnus]

And to give everything to everyone is communism which is at least so big bullshit than the elitism. People are not on the same level, no matter what try to imply a few braindead liberalist. Competitions, racing exist to show the difference between the different persons, units and reward them on different level. It`s exist in sport, games and basically in every aspects of life. Only 1 gold medal for the best and even to enter to the given competition you must be better than the rest. They have the talent, they placed much more time, energy, money and effort to reach the higher level than the rest of the mankind. For example: I can run. Most of the mankind can run. But not everybody can go to the olympics. And I do not have the right (nor the will)to complain about it.

Your analogies are ludicrous and flawed on so many fronts, I'm not sure I should reply seriously.

[Zeek Daniels]

All you GY zerging haters out their do realize you are penalized by having a higher repair bill right?

[nocturnus]

It's not elitism at all. It's not even remotely close to the definition of the word. Has nothing to do with the concept in any way.

As I told you before, your comprehension of the English language is limited. Persons who believe that they are superior to others and thus deserve different/better/more valuable rewards, are elitists. Period.

THAT OTHER GUY GOT THE SAME THING YOU DID, BUT DIDN'T DO ANYTHING FOR IT!"

("Didn't do anything" is obviously a lie/exaggeration. But I'll let that rest.)

The above is an elitist statement for it suggests the other doesn't deserve rewards equal to yours, because he/she is inferior to you in some way (died more often/completed an easier path/etc...).

I hope you take note and don't try to turn this in a useless discussion again.

[Newbryn]

Where did my post say anything about being better, being superior, or deserving more than someone else? There you go again, trying too hard with the attitude. You really need to dial that crap down a little.



Again, my quote said absolutely nothing about being better or deserving more. It was a simple comment on something that's pretty much basic human nature. When someone puts in X amount of effort to get Y result, then see someone put in X/2 effort and still get Y result, it's natural for that person to wonder why they're bothering with X amount of effort.

That's called one's ego being hurt usually stems from low self esteem.

[dennisdkramer]

@OP

agree completely, hit max level in the first week, geared up quickly buy bying lvl 78 epixx, did a couple dungeons, bunch of jumping puzzles and some pvp and havent logged in since

not interested in dungeons that can be zerged
not interested in pvp against people of random skill levels


/shrug

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As I told you before, your comprehension of the English language is limited. Persons who believe that they are superior to others and thus deserve different/better/more valuable rewards, are elitists. Period.

("Didn't do anything" is obviously a lie/exaggeration. But I'll let that rest.)

The above is an elitist statement for it suggests the other doesn't deserve rewards equal to yours, because he/she is inferior to you in some way (died more often/completed an easier path/etc...).

I hope you take note and don't try to turn this in a useless discussion again.

resisting the urge to flame you is proving difficult, I almost want to take the ban to tell you how blatently incompetent everything you just said was, and add a few swears in there to quell my rage at how smart you must think you are.

[nocturnus]

Where did my post say anything about being better, being superior, or deserving more than someone else? There you go again, trying too hard with the attitude. You really need to dial that crap down a little.

Again, my quote said absolutely nothing about being better or deserving more. It was a simple comment on something that's pretty much basic human nature. When someone puts in X amount of effort to get Y result, then see someone put in X/2 effort and still get Y result, it's natural for that person to wonder why they're bothering with X amount of effort.

I don't think I can explain it any clearer than I already have. You're as obstinate and impulsive as ever. At least you're consistent...

to quell my rage at how smart you must think you are.

I must be a very important person to you. Since I can influence your emotional state to the point of fury.

[Fencers]

Drop the elitism thing. Ya'll are bickering at this point. Not necessarily awesome.

Keep it to video games-- specifically the PVE of Guild Wars 2.


-Fencers

[nocturnus]

To be honest, I'm really weary of getting totally sidetracked by having to break everything down like this for you, and even more tired of your attitude and insults. Just give it a rest, already.

You don't like it when someone shows you you're wrong. I get that. But being headstrong and ignoring all data provided because your ego is hurt isn't the path to awareness.

Your examples are utterly flawed and contrary to your beliefs, it's not human nature.

This was your quote: "THAT OTHER GUY GOT THE SAME THING YOU DID, BUT DIDN'T DO ANYTHING FOR IT!" If I put your quote into context it says: "I did CoE in half an hour, went down once and received a reward. That other guy spent 3 hours in CoE, died 4 times on every encounter, had a repair bill of 40 silver, finished the dungeon and received the same reward".

Let's quantify effort shall we?

Player A puts 100 effort and receives reward X.
Player B puts 200 effort and receives reward X.

The rewards are equal.

Student A studies econometrics for 5 years and receives his degree.
Student B studies econometrics for 9 years and receives his degree.

The degrees are equal.

The quantity of effort it takes to complete a specific task in a video game varies per individual. "Bad" players are already punished by having to spend more time on the task and having a greater repair bill. Why punish them further by reducing the quality of their rewards? Perseverance is a quality not inferior to skill. Many believe it's actually a more cherished quality.

You can beat around the bush all you want, but expecting a better reward because you're "better" is an elitist attitude. Nota bene, I'm certainly not saying you're elitist. I'm simply explaining its meaning in context.

Aight Fencers, we both got carried away and some subjects are simply too interesting to resist. A new thread for a new subject.

[VibrantViolet]

@OP

agree completely, hit max level in the first week, geared up quickly buy bying lvl 78 epixx, did a couple dungeons, bunch of jumping puzzles and some pvp and havent logged in since

not interested in dungeons that can be zerged
not interested in pvp against people of random skill levels

You hit 80 in the first week, geared up quicky with "level 78 epixx", did a few dungeons, jumping puzzles, and some PvP, and you wonder why you got bored so fast? Not all the dungeons can be "zerged"...ever do Arah? Try to zerg it and see how far you get. Also, your level 78 gear wasn't the best you can get, and GW2 doesn't have "epics". Maybe you're thinking of rares? When is the last time you played?

The bolded part is what got me. You know GW2 has SPVP tournaments, right? Otherwise, PvP with people of random skills levels is implemented into all MMO's that I know of with PvP. You can do "arena-like" tournaments, or random PvP battlegrounds.

[Valeron]

Sorry, ma'am. =D

Anyway, back on topic! GW2 PvE: New PvE mode on the way, supposedly? What could it beeeee?!

Polymock

hopefully

[nocturnus]

You hit 80 in the first week, geared up quicky with "level 78 epixx", did a few dungeons, jumping puzzles, and some PvP, and you wonder why you got bored so fast? Not all the dungeons can be "zerged"...ever do Arah? Try to zerg it and see how far you get. Also, your level 78 gear wasn't the best you can get, and GW2 doesn't have "epics". Maybe you're thinking of rares? When is the last time you played?

The bolded part is what got me. You know GW2 has SPVP tournaments, right? Otherwise, PvP with people of random skills levels is implemented into all MMO's that I know of with PvP. You can do "arena-like" tournaments, or random PvP battlegrounds.

I think it's best to simply ignore such dubious replies violet.

Seriously, I have no clue what this new PvE mode could be. I think and hope raids are out of the question, but what else could it be?

[Valeron]

Could be missions like in GW1, could be elite areas, could be Polymock (although I think of this as a mini game, not really a mode). I seriously doubt raids though.