USA falling apart?

[Vizardlorde]

I love it!

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...erica/dmQl1bXL

Oh, that cracks me up.

Signed.

OMG lets ship them all to Antarctica! why aren't more people signing this?

[Felya]

I kind of found this interesting, seeing as people seem so upset about the current state of the US.

http://xkcd.com/1127/large/

Highest percentage of right wing extremists since Monroe!

When you have centrist opposition and your goal is to make your right wing ideology clear, there is very little room to go outside the extreme. When someone you call socialist bails out banks and an automotive industry, without taking them over. You got to go extreme to make a corporatist seem like a liberal. If a liberal socialist bails corporations out, you got to swing so far right, you give corporation the right to influence elections without monetary limit and with anonymity.

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OMG lets ship them all to Antarctica! why aren't more people signing this?

Because just like the secede talk it self, it's a joke.

[Xeones]

I kind of found this interesting, seeing as people seem so upset about the current state of the US.

http://xkcd.com/1127/large/

Highest percentage of right wing extremists since Monroe!

Ah that reminds me, I remember seeing a documentary a few months ago where they were interviewing law enforcement and since Obama was elected membership in "militia groups" had skyrocketed.

[Vizardlorde]

When you have centrist opposition and your goal is to make your right wing ideology clear, there is very little room to go outside the extreme. When someone you call socialist bails out banks and an automotive industry, without taking them over. You got to go extreme to make a corporatist seem like a liberal. If a liberal socialist bails corporations out, you got to swing so far right, you give corporation the right to influence elections without monetary limit and with anonymity.

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Because just like the secede talk it self, it's a joke.

*sigh* every time i dont make it obvious through white text or /sarcasm people actually take me seriously T-T I'm starting to believe that I'm communication impaired.

[Wildtree]

Attempts at or aspirations of secession from the United States have been a feature of the country's politics since its birth. Some have argued for a constitutional right of secession and others for a natural right of revolution. The United States Supreme Court ruled unilateral secession unconstitutional while commenting that revolution or consent of the states could lead to a successful secession.

So basically the country is falling apart since it's creation, right? oh wait.. It kept growing, and is on the brink of just adding another state with full rights..

But it reflects somewhat the key problem of the US as a whole. Every states action as a special snowflake.
The country is in shits at the moment. In large parts because also what ever happens in DC gets challenged by some "rednecks" randomly in any state.
Government spending is through the roof. True that...
But how about we just stop lawsuit after lawsuit. Supreme court case after Supreme court case, be it state level or national level.
Would be interesting to know how much money is wasted on that alone. Speaking of unnecessary growing of government...
Learn the definition of COUNTRY.. If you keep bitching and moaning, if you keep wanting special treatment, you are not in the mindset for a country.
Being part of a country means sacrifice as much as benefit.
One can't always just get the cherries. It's sour grapes sometimes too.

The supreme court judges are correct... Sure enough secession can happen through revolution. But how about using 2 cents worth of brain first?
Revolution in that case would not be peaceful. The Civil War says Hi....
War costs money.... TONS of money. Which is the reason for the lump sum of the countries debt and deficit.
Decades of war related efforts cranked up the debt.. Not just the last 2 wars spent on a credit card, as Obama put it.

And now you want to leave, want to choose the path of secession through revolution. Since it's otherwise illegal and therefore not possible.
Well, wait and see where all your oh so blooming economy gets you, once the war is over.
When all your state money is gone up in gun smoke. When your infrastructure is down the crapper from destruction.
You want to rely on your oil, in case of Texas now...
Good luck exporting it... You got to find someone who buys it.... Everyone who's dealing with the USA as it is now, won't likely buy it.
You have to find other buyers.. There you go. You can sell to those who are on trade embargo with the USA...
Maybe North Korea buys it.....
Otherwise, you end up sitting on mega tons of oil.. You can't do much with it, other than shoving up your own behind. Which has a comforting aspect tho. Oil is a good lubricant. It won't hurt so much..

I know that's drastic words... But so is the truth...

Another minor detail I would like to point out..
The USA's reputation suffering was recently triggered by what?
Texans..
Now try to become independent, and enjoy how to defend yourself, alone.. against those who still are out for "revenge" against the Bush era.. If the state doesn't have the protection from the mighty USA anymore. Think of that..

[SirRobin]

Even the BBC is reporting on it now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20301477

I can almost hear the eyes rolling from sea to shining sea.

[ptwonline]

Pakistan was the only foreign nation that would have voted for Romney. Let the angry Americans move there.

One problem: not even Pakistan would want them.

[Doktor Faustus]

I may, or may not, have suggested, at one point in my life, perhaps, that several states along the border with Canada should just petition to join Canada...

The Queen says no, she says rejoin Mexico and France.

Apart from Washington State and Oregon, Oregon Country is hers, she said.

Or, give the land back to the pre-American aboriginals!

[Felya]

*sigh* every time i dont make it obvious through white text or /sarcasm people actually take me seriously T-T I'm starting to believe that I'm communication impaired.

You were fine, it was an obvious joke.

[chadwix]

Good luck exporting it... You got to find someone who buys it.... Everyone who's dealing with the USA as it is now, won't likely buy it.

This is a major misconception, everyone will buy their oil. Businessmen arent petty children who care where it comes from, they just want the oil for the best price.

The usa needs texas more than texas needs the usa. I dont see why texas should be paying for the other states who are doing it wrong.

[Reeve]

This is a major misconception, everyone will buy their oil. Businessmen arent petty children who care where it comes from, they just want the oil for the best price.

The usa needs texas more than texas needs the usa. I dont see why texas should be paying for the other states who are doing it wrong.

More likely, oil companies would pull out of Texas because they wouldn't want to have to ship their oil across borders to get it to their markets in the SU and because of the political uncertainty involved with being in a brand new country with Theocratic tendencies. I said theocratic because I feel confident the liberal and moderate people would want to leave Texas to go to the US as much as possible, making it much easier to push through Theocratic initiatives, especially without the US federal laws to keep them in check.

Yes, Texas would still have Texan oil to export, but it would no longer be the import/refinery hub of the US.

[Felya]

This is a major misconception, everyone will buy their oil. Businessmen arent petty children who care where it comes from, they just want the oil for the best price.

The usa needs texas more than texas needs the usa. I dont see why texas should be paying for the other states who are doing it wrong.

US subsidizes oil production to make it cheaper here. If Texas starts selling oil, without the federal government, they lose the subsidized cost. They will be forced to compete with oil production in places like the middle east. When work conditions reach those of the middle east, to compete for prices, people of Texas might have second thoughts.

[Breccia]

Oh this again. Christ I can't go for 15 minutes online without the "15 states vote to leave the country waaaah" reactionary crap.

The OP posted figures showing what appears to be under 1% of the state population in each state in question. Actually, FAR less than 1%. Wake me when it gets to 1%, because that's when things might actually get interesting.

By "interesting" I mean that people will actually stop to think logically about the next step. Take, for example, Texas. Good ol' Texas. Solid cornerstone of our country for many a generation. Thinking of leaving? Here are some possible side-effects of "early withdraw"
-- Texas university enrollment plunges, since the number of US college students who go to four-year foreign schools remains low.
-- Travel into Texas becomes difficult. Passports are required, and all flights/trains in/out are now crossing borders and require things like customs and extra fees/red tape. This forces an increase in price and, therefore, a decrease in demand. Also the Federal Interstate Highway System no longer applies on Texas roads, which I'm told aren't in the world's best shape to begin with.
-- The Cowboys are summarily thrown out of the NATIONAL Football League, letting Philadelphia get to the playoffs by default. Yes, the Eagles. Ouch.
-- Good luck with the next hurricane, wildfire, or any other major disaster. FEMA and the National Guard are ours. They are no longer required to provide help. In fact, their intrusion would techincally be an act of war (but see below).
-- Any factories or other workforces in Texas are now considered outsourced labor. Some places, such as the Arlington Assembly GM plant, will close so they can still call their cars "Made in the USA" which is more and more popular to say these days. Others might close because the US taxes the crap out of imported goods. Others still will try to re-negotiate deals, reminding the Texan workforce they no longer have a goverment-mandated minimum wage law. In particular, the textbook industry (relatively large) will come to a grinding halt, as any high school biology student/teacher in the rest of the US will tell you.
-- federal border guards are no longer called upon to guard the Rio Grande. Texas now finds itself completely responsible for the lengthy border between it and a large number of well-armed drug cartels eyeing an unprotected market. Texas is middle-of-the-road in terms of gun ownership (about 30th in the nation).
-- there are over two million food stamp recipients in Texas. That's around 8-10% of the state's population. Now cut off that support. What do you think they're going to do? Accept it quietly and starve to death? Or will there be a sharp increase in crime? They sure as hell aren't crossing back into the US.

and my favorite

-- when oil reserves in the US start to dry up, instead of finding a reason to invade a country overseas, we look about 30 feet to the left to Texas' billion-barrel-a-day production. And we get thirsty.

Am I exaggerating comedically to prove a point? Yes. However, leaving the US does have MAJOR economic and social consequences. Consequences those 25,000 people have very likely not considered fully. Easily enough to stop those signatures from hitting any reasonable level.

[ryotte]

Buncha whiners. Even most of the hardcore repubs I know (I do live in the South) are rolling their eyes at this. My state has 15,000 petitioners. That's a small town, not a huge chunk of the entire state. I looked at it, and many of the signers don't even live in this state. It's likely the other states' are the same way and many of the same people are going around signing every state's petition even though they don't live there, padding the numbers, while the number of people who actually want to is actually lower and even further from a majority.

It's okay, children. We get to vote again in 4 years. I try to teach my 5yo that you can't win every time, and you can't knock the game over and cry and call the other person a poopy-head just because you lost. Apparently some adults haven't learned this.

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Breccia! Have my babies!

[Laize]

Hahahahahaha, there's so much faulty logic in this I don't even know where to begin.

You seem to be operating under the assumption that because a base is located somewhere that it would join that side, and that all personnel and vehicles/ships would immediately be loyal to the cause. They serve the United States military, not the southern confederacy, and any rebels would be quickly subdued by loyal service men. Any Civil War would be over in a week, but not for the reason you stated. Maybe if we were talking about a video game that's how it would work.

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Did you see the article where a woman ran over her husband with her Jeep because she thought her husband was solely responsible for Obama winning the election? These are the kind of people that want to secede, mentally unstable and avid Faux News loyalists. I say the US makes a penal colony and deports all the crazy extremists.

I actually didn't read about it.

I did, however, read about the man who jumped in the way of his wife's car to stop her from voting for Obama.

[Wildtree]

This is a major misconception, everyone will buy their oil. Businessmen arent petty children who care where it comes from, they just want the oil for the best price.

The usa needs texas more than texas needs the usa. I dont see why texas should be paying for the other states who are doing it wrong.

because Texas is part of the country as a whole. You benefit from other aspects, where other states are funding you.
And no.. it is not a major misconception.. Ask Iran how their economy is doing at the moment...
They are facing large embargo's at the moment.
If you are on an embargo list your economy gets to shreds.
The only way out is then for you to team with those who are also on your end of the stick. Like the example I gave with North Korea.

I haven't mentioned yet, that in case of becoming independent. You have to build up a lot of things from scratch, which you don't own, but enjoy as of now.
Starting with building up your own military force.
The one existing answers and belongs to the United States. Can you handle that? Can you build up enough military security to defend yourself?
Remember. you broke the law, you left. You have no resources left coming from the USA.
How is your agriculture looking?
There are a lot of things to account from which you benefit through others, before making any claims why you should be paying for others..

[Notdev]

I'm picking the most pointless points to reply to, but the NATIONAL basketball league has teams in Canada, and the Eagles are tied for last in the division, wouldn't make the playoffs if the Cowboys ceased to exist.

Carry on!

[Felya]

More likely, oil companies would pull out of Texas because they wouldn't want to have to ship their oil across borders to get it to their markets in the SU and because of the political uncertainty involved with being in a brand new country with Theocratic tendencies. I said theocratic because I feel confident the liberal and moderate people would want to leave Texas to go to the US as much as possible, making it much easier to push through Theocratic initiatives, especially without the US federal laws to keep them in check.

Yes, Texas would still have Texan oil to export, but it would no longer be the import/refinery hub of the US.

They will compete with Venezuela for oil in South America, see Panama canal, and their exports to Europe and India will be more expensive than the middle east. Texas would be wholly dependent on US, due to our demand and their location giving them an exporting disadvantage to just about every other major consumer.

[Reeve]

I'm picking the most pointless points to reply to, but the NATIONAL basketball league has teams in Canada, and the Eagles are tied for last in the division, wouldn't make the playoffs if the Cowboys ceased to exist.

Carry on!

The Houston Texans not being in the NFL anymore would have a pretty significant impact on this year.

[salamala]

I live in one of the states not mentioned here, and I'm all for the states separating if they want - thats why there are states in the first place - so they could maintain their identity even though part of the "union". I am not being a dick here either - like okay texas see ya later don't let the door hit you on the way out (as many of you wow players have said). They deserve the right to leave if they want and feel they can maintain order in their state w/o federal help - (LOL federal help is like a contradiction). The election process in the US isn't right anymore either, if an election comes down to a near 50/50 split, why should the losing party have to deal with the winning party? because the northern/eastern states have more pull? Oh yea, that's great - what a great system. No wonder they want to leave - their voices aren't heard and better yet - they are forced to swallow shit (obama) when told to - sounds fun for texas. If they split - illegal or not, I'm heading to texas.

Brecca - there is a list 10 times as big as your garbage points of what the union losses when texas leaves... haha the union should be fine w/o those 15 states incomes... lol, they can just tax the northerners more.