US Supreme Court to Hear Case on Same-Sex Marriage

[Dispersedshadow]

its MORALLY wrong and should not be allowed

Gonna try to keep this simple, maybe then we can get a foothold on your way of thinking, since you seem to just be copy/pasting the same paragraphs:

Morally wrong according to whom and why?

[meathead]

and why is homosexual love morally "wrong"?

Oh and by the way; you can marry your first cousin in California (and most of the US besides)

First cousin marriage prohibited
Arkansas
Delaware
Idaho
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Michigan
Minnesota
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma
Oregon
Pennsylvania
South Dakota
Texas
Washington
West Virginia
Wyoming
Arizona
Illinois
Indiana
Maine
Utah
Wisconsin
First cousin marriage is allowed in these states under the following circumstances:
Arizona- if both are 65 or older, or one is unable to reproduce.
Illinois- if both are 50 or older, or one is unable to reproduce.
Indiana- if both are at least 65.
Maine- if couple obtains a physician's certificate of genetic counseling.
Utah- if both are 65 or older, or if both are 55 or older and one is unable to reproduce.
Wisconsin- if the woman is 55 or older, or one is unable to reproduce.

[Thage]

read my post and stop trying to avoid my comment.i already gave you an example of why im against gay marriage.its the same reason why im againt 1st cousins being allowed to marry "and they cant'".

do you think its ok for me to marry and have kids with my 2ed cousin?or is that morally wrong in your mind?answer that for me atleast,ok?

If you and your cousin love one another, and both consent to a union, then more power to you. I wouldn't stand in the way of your relationship and seek to deny you that right just because I don't agree with it, because I understand the notion that my civil rights do not override yours, nor do yours override mine--one's rights stop where someone else's begin.

[Themius]

First cousin marriage prohibited
Arkansas
Delaware
Idaho
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Michigan
Minnesota
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma
Oregon
Pennsylvania
South Dakota
Texas
Washington
West Virginia
Wyoming
Arizona
Illinois
Indiana
Maine
Utah
Wisconsin
First cousin marriage is allowed in these states under the following circumstances:
Arizona- if both are 65 or older, or one is unable to reproduce.
Illinois- if both are 50 or older, or one is unable to reproduce.
Indiana- if both are at least 65.
Maine- if couple obtains a physician's certificate of genetic counseling.
Utah- if both are 65 or older, or if both are 55 or older and one is unable to reproduce.
Wisconsin- if the woman is 55 or older, or one is unable to reproduce.

So to sum this up.

20 states allow first cousin marriages, and 6 have restrictions which hinge around offspring.

[meathead]

Gonna try to keep this simple, maybe then we can get a foothold on your way of thinking, since you seem to just be copy/pasting the same paragraphs:

Morally wrong according to whom and why?

to myself and the laws of nature thats who.or do i not count because im not gay?why do you think its ok and where is it natural for people to par take in gay sex?theres nothing natural in the way gays have sex.

[nnelson54]

Gonna try to keep this simple, maybe then we can get a foothold on your way of thinking, since you seem to just be copy/pasting the same paragraphs:

Morally wrong according to whom and why?

When you figure it out give me the Cliff Notes. My brain is currently leaking out of my ears in an attempt to run away from the words my eyes are reading.

[meathead]

So to sum this up.

20 states allow first cousin marriages, and 6 have restrictions which hinge around offspring.

more against then for right?and why is that?who does it hurt?dotn we have the right to be happy?why do i have to have restrictions on my marriage while others dont?

i see you are not answering my questions.do you think its morally ok for cousins to get married?

[Themius]

so again do you think it ok for cousins to marry and have kids?why in only 25 states can first cousins get married?everyone should be allowed to right,no matter what state they live in.or do you think only gays have that right?

if i live in a state that does not allow me to marry my cousin,thats against my constitutional rights,correct?just like gay marriage.

If you want to marry your first cousin then you would right for your right to. AS OTHER PEOPLE IN OTHER STATES HAVE DONE IN THE PAST. First cousin marriages have gone from being illegal to being recognized.

I think it's okay for cousins to marry, as far as kids there is a higher risk of defect, which is why people have an issue with incest TO BEGIN WITH. There is no such risk with me finding a Michael and making him my husband.

You say everyone should be allowed the right but you're against it why? You are coming off awfully foolish.

[s_bushido]

theres nothing natural in the way gays have sex.

lol. You might not have noticed, but those crazy things gay people to do one another can be done by straight folks as well.

[Endus]

First cousin marriage is allowed in these states under the following circumstances:
Arizona- if both are 65 or older, or one is unable to reproduce.
Illinois- if both are 50 or older, or one is unable to reproduce.
Indiana- if both are at least 65.
Maine- if couple obtains a physician's certificate of genetic counseling.
Utah- if both are 65 or older, or if both are 55 or older and one is unable to reproduce.
Wisconsin- if the woman is 55 or older, or one is unable to reproduce.

You notice how the general implication here is "as long as you can't produce mutant incest offspring we don't care"?

It's weird to me because it doesn't come up with gay couples. They can't reproduce. It is simply not possible. They can raise children if they adopt, or have a donor, but there's no potential harm to the children that result from their union.

There is, for first cousins, a higher chance of harmful recessives, which is WHY it's illegal. Because of the potential harm to a future child. And why those laws have exceptions when children aren't a possibility. For gay couples, there's no potential harm to any future children. So you'd think that, at the very least, all those states which allow non-reproductive marriages among first cousins shouldn't have any issue with gay marriage, for the same reasons.

[Themius]

more against then for right?and why is that?who does it hurt?dotn we have the right to be happy?why do i have to have restrictions on my marriage while others dont?

i see you are not answering my questions.do you think its morally ok for cousins to get married?

We have 50 states, 26*26= 52, We do not have 52 states.

I don't give a flying fuck about morals. If the two cousins are in love with each other who the fuck is anyone to get in between that and say "mmm sorry no, you can't.

[Endus]

more against then for right?and why is that?who does it hurt?dotn we have the right to be happy?why do i have to have restrictions on my marriage while others dont?

i see you are not answering my questions.do you think its morally ok for cousins to get married?

I don't think it's a "moral" question at all.

There's a higher chance of harmful recessives due to genetics, so it should be prevented to avoid future harm to their eventual children, where relevant. Beyond that, we're into "I find it icky but it's none of my business" territory. Same reason I don't think it should be illegal for people to eat avocado, or get genital piercings, or any of a host of other things they choose to do for their own enjoyment that I personally find icky.

[nnelson54]

First cousin marriage prohibited
Arkansas
Delaware
Idaho
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Michigan
Minnesota
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma
Oregon
Pennsylvania
South Dakota
Texas
Washington
West Virginia
Wyoming
Arizona
Illinois
Indiana
Maine
Utah
Wisconsin
First cousin marriage is allowed in these states under the following circumstances:
Arizona- if both are 65 or older, or one is unable to reproduce.
Illinois- if both are 50 or older, or one is unable to reproduce.
Indiana- if both are at least 65.
Maine- if couple obtains a physician's certificate of genetic counseling.
Utah- if both are 65 or older, or if both are 55 or older and one is unable to reproduce.
Wisconsin- if the woman is 55 or older, or one is unable to reproduce.

I'll take it slowly, because I don't think you understand that you just made his point. First cousin marriages are prohibited in 30 states according to that list you yourself posted(which, coincidentally, doesn't include California... because it's legal there, like he said). It actually lists 31 states, but Wisconsin is listed in the states that it is allowed with provisions, so I didn't count that.

There are 50 states in the United States.

50 - 30 = 20

There are 20 states where it is completely legal to marry your first cousin with no restrictions. With me so far? Good!

You then went on to list 6 states that you are allowed to marry them with provisions, most of them based around having offsprings(the reason for most laws against marrying family members - inbreeding is a serious risk to the future generations if allowed to run rampant).

20 + 6 = 26

So... thank you for coming up with the fact that there are 26 states where it is legal to marry your first cousin, as everyone has been telling you.

[Themius]

to myself and the laws of nature thats who.or do i not count because im not gay?why do you think its ok and where is it natural for people to par take in gay sex?theres nothing natural in the way gays have sex.

"Laws of nature."

Hold on a minute... homosexuality and bisexuality are both observed in nature. So what laws of nature are you on about? Cherry picking people... "I'll take these laws of nature because I agree with them, but that homosexual stuff that's in nature? Nah I don't like it so I will just IGNORE that part of nature."

There is a lot natural in gay sex. I mean there are straight men who like to be fucked by women with a strap-on, do you want to stop these men because of "what I think is right"?

[Thage]

to myself and the laws of nature thats who.or do i not count because im not gay?why do you think its ok and where is it natural for people to par take in gay sex?theres nothing natural in the way gays have sex.

Laws of nature? Oh. That must be why Bonobos apes are casually bisexual, why a significant factor in wolf pack behavior is that a male wishing to join the pack must submit to the alpha male, why many bird species have the males fertilize the eggs, then bring in another male to raise the hatchlings, and why a gene was discovered in mice (who are over 95% identical to humans, looking at DNA) that could, when altered or removed, result in homosexuality.

You keep using the term natural. I do not think that word means what you think it means. And it's not like gays are bending you over and forcing you to have anal sex with them; as such, what does it matter to you how they have sex? (And it's not like straight men don't eat pussy or a straight couple hasn't experimented with anal sex; there's an entire porn genre devoted to that, even)

[Wells]

I don't think it's a "moral" question at all.

There's a higher chance of harmful recessives due to genetics, so it should be prevented to avoid future harm to their eventual children, where relevant. Beyond that, we're into "I find it icky but it's none of my business" territory. Same reason I don't think it should be illegal for people to eat avocado, or get genital piercings, or any of a host of other things they choose to do for their own enjoyment that I personally find icky.

More or less my thoughts. Pretty gross but whatever floats your consenting adult boat. As long as you aren't giving birth to that kid from Deliverance.

[Dispersedshadow]

to myself and the laws of nature thats who.or do i not count because im not gay?why do you think its ok and where is it natural for people to par take in gay sex?theres nothing natural in the way gays have sex.

If it's a personal moral code you are following, that's fine. Just don't expect everyone else to bow down and follow it, as they are following their own moral codes.

As for the laws of nature, you have a link for those? I can't seem to find a definitive codification.

[meathead]

If you want to marry your first cousin then you would right for your right to. AS OTHER PEOPLE IN OTHER STATES HAVE DONE IN THE PAST. First cousin marriages have gone from being illegal to being recognized.

I think it's okay for cousins to marry, as far as kids there is a higher risk of defect, which is why people have an issue with incest TO BEGIN WITH. There is no such risk with me finding a Michael and making him my husband.

You say everyone should be allowed the right but you're against it why? You are coming off awfully foolish.

no your the one being foolish.you think its ok for cousins to get married and i dont.you think its ok for gays to get married and i dont.you tell me im a fool for thinking the way i do,but i think your are just trying to fool yourself.lack of morals is what it comes down to.you only "argue/fight" for gays rights while leaving other groups that are in the same boat "cousins" alone.

lets kick it up a notch shall we?i want to marry my sister and we both get fixed so we cant have kids,why cant we get married?we are not hurting anyone and are not having kids,so what the big deal.dont we have th right to be happy?see its morally wrong to marry your sister,just like gay marriage.

[Healing Rain]

The Supreme Court should uphold the California ban on gay "marriage" because right now most people believe gay "marriage" is an abomination and that's doubtful to ever change(and imo should never change because we have to draw the line somewhere).

[nnelson54]

no your the one being foolish.you think its ok for cousins to get married and i dont.you think its ok for gays to get married and i dont.you tell me im a fool for thinking the way i do,but i think your are just trying to fool yourself.lack of morals is what it comes down to.you only "argue/fight" for gays rights while leaving other groups that are in the same boat "cousins" alone.

lets kick it up a notch shall we?i want to marry my sister and we both get fixed so we cant have kids,why cant we get married?we are not hurting anyone and are not having kids,so what the big deal.dont we have th right to be happy?see its morally wrong to marry your sister,just like gay marriage.

You have this weird obsession with marrying your family members. You should go read some Freud.