this is how i see the horde.....with garrosh? total chaos infact after doing both the panda quest line for the hore and allaince...hordes version of faction acceptance Ji firepaw more than once seemed like he was about to run for his life, and was getting insulted almost the entire time... thralls horde seems more about honor and courage and was so inspiring he made all the races feel at home...allaince? pandas show up..you brawl the king..your in the alliance...they accept all..what im saying here is...horde have fallen to evil under there new warchief and you eed to be purged from not only dalaran the world...or get thrall back..so sad...i used to love the horde..
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Their choice for 'surrender or leave' was already given to them previously of the player's arrival at Dalaran for the purge. Jaina did issue a warning to all non-Kirin Tor elves (namely the shopkeepers): allign yourself with the Kirin Tor and/or Silver Covenant or leave Dalaran. For the Sunreavers. the warning was: surrender or be imprisoned.
When the player arrived, the warning was already issued, time for the 'surrender or leave' part of the warning was given, and it was now time for the 'imprisoned or death if resisting'.
You can, if said 'entire group of people' fails to uphold their end of the neutrality agreement, and fails to bring to justice the members of their groups that broke said agreement not only once, but twice.
Even when hell broke loose in Dalaran and the purging began, the Sunreavers did nothing to help themselves. Said spies are still at large, no investigation is done, even after most Sunreavers escape Dalaran. And when you finish the Horde quest chain, you find the Divine Bell in Silvermoon! So yes, the Sunreavers already had prior knowledge of said spies, if the presence of the Divine Bell in Sivlermoon is proof enough, and did nothing. So, yes, they brought it upon themselves.
Go read up some lore, ok? She locked up Dalaran AFTER, I'll repeat, AFTER she was backstabbed by the Sunreavers. She locked Darnassus AFTER the Sunreavers already used Dalaran portals to invade Darnassus and steal the Bell. When she sealed Darnassus, the Bell was ALREADY stolen. There was no intention to stop the robbers, but to find who did it.
Last edited by Ielenia; 2012-12-30 at 03:29 PM.
Yes I DID kill them and it was my pleasure.. It's ashame there were no orcs or horde calves to slaughter as well.
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It was sweet. Man gives other man choices in war, animals - they are better just put down.
The Sunreavers were already under warning after the Theramore incident. And Jaina killed only Aethas' bodyguards. The rest she just teleported into the Violed Hold.
And now, this gem...
I love your reasoning: Sunreavers steal powerful artifact from the Kirin Tor, a neutral faction, under orders from Garrosh, the Horde leader: neutrality maintained! The Sunreavers use Dalaran portals to invade Alliance city to steal a powerful artifact, again under orders from Garrosh, the Horde leader: neutrality maintained! Jaina investigates who used Dalaran resources to steal the artifact from Darnassus: ZOMG! Neutrality broken! Jaina broke neutrality first! The Horde is totally justified! Blah-blah-blah... Seriously?
In your words: I'll keep repeating this if I have to.
And I really don't mean to offend you, Daelin, but, despite your name, and avatar icon... you're really sounding like a Horde Fanboy, here...
1. Dalaran broke neutrality when they sent military forces to help the Alliance fight the Horde at Theramore.
2. Because it's so easy to catch spies.
Yup, people come busting into my house to arrest me for no reason. I totally have time to investigate spies while I'm running for my life.
It's a good thing they hung this WMD out in the middle of the square in Silvermoon for all the children to see.
They were not under the threat of expulsion, Aethas said he would try to make things right. So she only killed Aethas bodyguards without any warning, simply because she could, that does not make it right. There were still many Sunreaver who had no idea what was going on. The purge was necessary that much is certain that does not make it right. This is one of those decisions which leaders have to make in order to protect all of their subjects but some of them will suffer for it.
This entire ordeal is quite similar to the exiled high elves, it was necessary to banish them, but not the right thing to do.
Last edited by Combatbutler; 2012-12-30 at 03:51 PM.
Where was it stated that the Sunreavers stole the Focusing Iris from the Kirin Tor? AFAIK, it was stolen from the Blue Dragonflight by the Horde.
Also, a vast majority of Sunreavers had nothing to do with stealing the Bell. Aethas has always been loyal to Dalaran and opposed Garrosh.
Either Aethas isn't THAT loyal to Dalaran, up to the point of allowing the Horde to use Dalaran portals, or he's not really that competent leader that can't notice their own resources being used without authorization. Seriously, that Bell if eff'ing huge! There is no way they could have moved that with NO ONE in Dalaran noticing it unless the Sunreavers turned a blind eye toward them.
And then I find this gem...
Jaina meant every word she said to Anduin. She maintained the neutrality of Kirin Tor. HOWEVER... she only 'meddled' (as Combooticus so eloquently puts it) after the Sunrevers 'meddled' not once, but TWICE already. They 'meddled', then they 'meddled' again, and only THEN Jaina 'meddled'. Please get your facts straight. Also... hypocrisy? That sounds more like what you're doing instead of what Jaina's doing.
Last edited by Ielenia; 2012-12-30 at 04:13 PM.
Did the quest on both sides. She only attacks the guards in front of the Sunreaver place in Dalaran, all others she teleports to the Violet Hold. She wasn't the one to disable their means of fleeing either, that was Vereesa who's kind not over her husband dying due to the betrayal of the Sunreavers.
I did the quest on both sides by now, I'd done the same to be honest. You chase the thieves through Darnassus and eventually find an Dalaran portal through which the thieves apparently came and have fled afterwards. You step through it and find yourself in front of Aethas and his bodyguards and a fight between them and Jaina immediatly breaks out.
The only thing Aethas has to say is that Dalaran is their city aswell, he isn't even denying her accusations and his respond seems more like him saying that if he wants to aid the Horde using Dalaran he very has every right to do so.
After having seen how it plays out on the Alliance side I disagree. Aethas and his bodyguards are the ones you find at the end of chasing the thieves through Darnassus. He doesn't even say he's not guilty and instead pretty much trash talks Jainas. He's looking as guilty as possibly and he isn't even denying it.
It's like the police finding you at the murder scene, with your hands covered in blood, holding the weapon with whom the victims were killed and when asked to lay the weapon down and surrender you tell them to go fuck themselves since you can do whatever you please and your friends charge in to attack them.
Thing is, it was done by the Sunreavers, they did use an Dalaran portal to make it possible, Aethas and his bodyguards were standing in front of said portal and all but confessed it to the crime.