Mega-Thread: Gun Control Thread

[TwoNineMarine]

We get it. We know that you either 1) ignore scientific studies and/or 2) don't understand an average.

Ah. Trying to make fun of me. Very cute.

But we can all see you are deflecting and purposely not trying to counter my argument.

Have a great weekend! I'm on 17 days of vacation =D

[Rukentuts]

But we can all see you are deflecting and purposely not trying to counter my argument.

Your argument is that you don't believe in scientific studies. So no, I'm not trying to counter that.

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Your argument is that you don't believe in scientific studies. So no, I'm not trying to counter that.

What scientific studies? You just expect us to take your word for it?

[VRA]

"Lets ban assault rifles! Mass murders won't be able to kill as many people if they don't have automatic weapons!"

Since when do we negotiate with terrorists? Since when do we allow terrorists, and outlaws to change our laws?

Mass Murder: "Im going to go shoot up a theater, but oh shit! I better not go break that law against owning a firearm"

All you do when you outlaw firearms is open up an unregulated black market. Fuck the 61% of you. OH AND BY THE WAY. IM A LIBERAL. Yes a liberal. A fucking democrat. So don't accuse me of being a conservative.

[Moadar]

Making irrational quips doesn't help your cause. Nor does pretending any average citizen faces anywhere near the danger the President does.

That's because the average citizen isn't surrounded by armed guards whose guns could start killing at any moment. I fully support the president in disarming his guards in order to preserve he and families well being.

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"Lets ban assault rifles! Mass murders won't be able to kill as many people if they don't have automatic weapons!"

Since when do we negotiate with terrorists? Since when do we allow terrorists, and outlaws to change our laws?

Mass Murder: "Im going to go shoot up a theater, but oh shit! I better not go break that law against owning a firearm"

All you do when you outlaw firearms is open up an unregulated black market. Fuck the 61% of you. OH AND BY THE WAY. IM A LIBERAL. Yes a liberal. A fucking democrat. So don't accuse me of being a conservative.

911... I rest my case!

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are you that thick how does owning a gun make me more likely to kill someone just because i have the tool to do it does not mean i will its people like you who have their heads buried so far into the sand that are losing the whole gun control agenda

Stop thinking about yourself only and instead think of the bigger picture. Here's another example that you might be able to understand. If you own a ferrari don't you think you will be more likely to be speeding than if you own a Fiat?

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whats the point in this discussion?

[Roxinius]

911... I rest my case!

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Stop thinking about yourself only and instead think of the bigger picture. Here's another example that you might be able to understand. If you own a ferrari don't you think you will be more likely to be speeding than if you own a Fiat?

you your flawed logic states the fact that i own a gun makes me more likely to kill with it. do you get how moronic it sounds?

[TZucchini]

Link the actual studies not literature review please.

We've linked countless scientific studies. All coming to the same conclusion: widespread firearm ownership is a detriment to society. Since you seem to be uniquely qualified to debunk these scientifically controlled studies, have at it:

Guns kept in homes are more likely to be involved in a fatal or nonfatal accidental shooting, criminal assault, or suicide attempt than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense.

There is statistical support for the view that Right To Carry laws may actually increase crime.

Guns are used to threaten and intimidate far more often than they are used in self defense.

Firearms are more common in the homes of battered women than in households in the general population.

On average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault.

People with a gun were 4.5 times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not possessing a gun.

Across developed countries, where guns are more available, there are more homicides.

The number of guns per capita per country was a strong and independent predictor of firearm-related death in a given country.

Those persons with guns in the home were at greater risk than those without guns in the home of dying from a homicide in the home.

There is a dynamic relationship between gun ownership and crime.

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We've linked countless scientific studies. All coming to the same conclusion: widespread firearm ownership is a detriment to society. Since you seem to be uniquely qualified to debunk these scientifically controlled studies, have at it:

Guns kept in homes are more likely to be involved in a fatal or nonfatal accidental shooting, criminal assault, or suicide attempt than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense.

There is statistical support for the view that Right To Carry laws may actually increase crime.

Guns are used to threaten and intimidate far more often than they are used in self defense.

Firearms are more common in the homes of battered women than in households in the general population.

On average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault.

People with a gun were 4.5 times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not possessing a gun.

Across developed countries, where guns are more available, there are more homicides.

The number of guns per capita per country was a strong and independent predictor of firearm-related death in a given country.

Those persons with guns in the home were at greater risk than those without guns in the home of dying from a homicide in the home.

There is a dynamic relationship between gun ownership and crime.

These are the same nonsense studies that rucken linked. They are skewed to deliver the required results, I went over them pages back not doing it again. When your studies have to be manipulated in such ways to deliver the desired result they are worthless.

[Rukentuts]

Pretty much reinforcing our perception of your ignorance of control variables there.

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Pretty much reinforcing our perception of your ignorance of control variables there.

Gee, taking murders committed by criminals with illegal guns and saying this is how all people with guns act is pretty scientific huh?

[Roxinius]

Gee, taking murders committed by criminals with illegal guns and saying this is how all people with guns act is pretty scientific huh?

you have to forgive them thats the only way they can think about us with thoes mean scary looking guns

[Rukentuts]

See Pre 9/11, this is what I was talking about. You present your informative rational argument (with a plethora of sources nonetheless) and they just devolve it back into an ignorant circlejerk. Did you link that study in that wall that shows the demographics of gun ownership? It shows an interesting correlation with educational attainment and gun ownership.

[Moadar]

Those studies are as informative and rational as a study that says more crimes committed by black people: black people detriment to society.

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See Pre 9/11, this is what I was talking about. You present your informative rational argument (with a plethora of sources nonetheless) and they just devolve it back into an ignorant circlejerk.

Your "studies" are of criminals using illegally possesed guns in criminal activities yet you want people to believe that's how all people with guns act? Like criminals?

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Those studies are as informative and rational as a study that says more crimes committed by black people: black people detriment to society.

[Masark]

Mass Murder: "Im going to go shoot up a theater, but oh shit! I better not go break that law against owning a firearm"

All you do when you outlaw firearms is open up an unregulated black market. Fuck the 61% of you. OH AND BY THE WAY. IM A LIBERAL. Yes a liberal. A fucking democrat. So don't accuse me of being a conservative.

Where are the "unregulated black market" going to get guns if no one is able to sell them? Is S&W going to have a factory just for making illegal guns? Guns aren't like drugs. You can't just plant some handgun seeds in your garden or mix some chemicals to make a rifle.

And just about all of the Democrats are conservatives from up here. Your "left" might make it in the Liberal Party (who are centrist), but you pretty much all fit into ideological range of the Conservative Party.

[Pikapika]

Where are the "unregulated black market" going to get guns if no one is able to sell them? Is S&W going to have a factory just for making illegal guns? Guns aren't like drugs. You can't just plant some handgun seeds in your garden or mix some chemicals to make a rifle.

And just about all of the Democrats are conservatives from up here. Your "left" might make it in the Liberal Party (who are centrist), but you pretty much all fit into ideological range of the Conservative Party.

No, but you can make firearms pretty damn easily in your garage with some piping and machinery. See: the four winds shotgun, or the Sten.

[TZucchini]

These are the same nonsense studies that rucken linked. They are skewed to deliver the required results, I went over them pages back not doing it again. When your studies have to be manipulated in such ways to deliver the desired result they are worthless.

I'm not ruken. You asked for studies? I linked 10 seperate scientific studies with controlled variables. Your response? "I've already addressed them."

Bullshit. You have NOT gone through those 10 seperate studies. All you've done is handwave. Typical.

[Masark]

No, but you can make firearms pretty damn easily in your garage with some piping and machinery. See: the four winds shotgun, or the Sten.

Yes, but said firearms would be of decidedly inferior quality (and thus more likely to fail and result in the target not dying or even being injured) compared actual guns.