Mega-Thread: Gun Control Thread

[the game]

Not gonna watch a youtube video and give some gun enthusiast more range about this, give us some links to official stuff.

I'm not here to hold your hand for you. Watch the video or not. I don't care.

[Machismo]

I'm not here to hold your hand for you. Watch the video or not. I don't care.

So, how outraged were you when your guy unilaterally banned bump stocks, and called for gun confiscation without due process? Man, you must have been so pissed, that you'd never keep supporting him... right?

[Mayhem]

I'm not here to hold your hand for you. Watch the video or not. I don't care.

Alright, a search term maybe? Something that leads me to the official stuff all of this is based on?

[Edge-]

Alright, a search term maybe? Something that leads me to the official stuff all of this is based on?

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-...house-bill/127

Here's the proposed bill. Nothing outrageous in it, but it goes to the stack of proposed bills (Like Greene's impeachment of Biden) that sits on a desk until the end of the session and is tossed into the trash as the session ends.

But it makes for good outrage-bait.

[Noxx79]

I'm not here to hold your hand for you. Watch the video or not. I don't care.

If you didn’t care, you wouldn’t have posted it.

[Roxinius]

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-...house-bill/127

Here's the proposed bill. Nothing outrageous in it, but it goes to the stack of proposed bills (Like Greene's impeachment of Biden) that sits on a desk until the end of the session and is tossed into the trash as the session ends.

But it makes for good outrage-bait.

um no thanks registration is the first step to confiscation or what does the left like to say oh right "buy backs" and the 2nd amendment is already a license

[Mayhem]

I found it by looking at who the game referenced and gun control. She wants a national firearms registry. The horror!

Oh god, no, the US might catch up to almost every other country in the world, you know, all the countries that are dictatorships.

[Edge-]

um no thanks registration is the first step to confiscation or what does the left like to say oh right "buy backs" and the 2nd amendment is already a license

How so? Registration allows for the tracking of legal firearms, including those that have been stolen and used, and ensures that there is accoutability for gun owners. Multiple states already have registration systems (CA, HI, ML, NY, DC) yet there's been no taking peoples guns.

Seriously the threat of the state coming to take your guns has been whinged and moaned about for decades and it's never happened. Because it never will happen.

This is just hogwash slippery slope fallacies.

[Machismo]

um no thanks registration is the first step to confiscation or what does the left like to say oh right "buy backs" and the 2nd amendment is already a license

Man, you must have been outraged when Trump unilaterally banned bump stocks, and called for gun confiscation without due process...

[Roxinius]

How so? Registration allows for the tracking of legal firearms, including those that have been stolen and used, and ensures that there is accoutability for gun owners. Multiple states already have registration systems (CA, HI, ML, NY, DC) yet there's been no taking peoples guns.

Seriously the threat of the state coming to take your guns has been whinged and moaned about for decades and it's never happened. Because it never will happen.

This is just hogwash slippery slope fallacies.

yeah cause its not like bidens gun control plan already hasn't pushed mandatory buy backs if you dont register right?

[Spectral]

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-...house-bill/127

Here's the proposed bill. Nothing outrageous in it, but it goes to the stack of proposed bills (Like Greene's impeachment of Biden) that sits on a desk until the end of the session and is tossed into the trash as the session ends.

But it makes for good outrage-bait.

The whole thing is bat shit insane, but let's highlight a couple particularly bizarre bits:

“(3) It shall be unlawful for a person to loan a firearm or ammunition to another person unless the person has notified the Attorney General of the loan, including the identity of such other person and the period for which the loan is made.

This effectively forbids handing someone at your local range a box of ammo.

“(2) (A) It shall be unlawful for any person to possess a large capacity ammunition feeding device.

“(31) The term ‘large capacity ammunition feeding device’ means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition, but does not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.”.

This is an attempt to ban the vast majority of entirely ordinary handguns. What's being referred to here as a "large capacity ammunition feeding device" is what anyone who actually gives a shit about firearms simply refers to as a "normal magazine".

There's so much insanity in that bill that it's hard to pick just a couple examples, but this is the one that makes the whole thing blatantly unconstitutional. No, Sheila, you can't actually just ban everything other than bolt action rifles and .22s without running afoul of standard 2nd Amendment jurisprudence.

[Roxinius]

Man, you must have been outraged when Trump unilaterally banned bump stocks, and called for gun confiscation without due process...

i was trump wasnt a 2nd amendment supporter like he claimed thats why i didnt vote for him

[Edge-]

Man, you must have been outraged when Trump unilaterally banned bump stocks, and called for gun confiscation without due process...

No, that's different. Sure, he seriously proposed literally ignoring the Second, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendments. Sure, he had his administration unilaterally ban bump-stocks, a move that not even the Democratic administration in office before him took as that administration was concerned about Second Amendment issues and whether or not the Executive branch had the authority to make such a move.

BUT IT'S THEM DARNED DEMS COMIN TO TAKE R GUNS, I TELLS YA! MAYBE NOT THIS DECADE. MAYBE NOT LAST DECADE. OR THE DECADE BEFORE THAT. OR BEFORE THAT. OR MAYBE NOT EVEN IN THE NEXT DECADE. OR THE DECADE AFTER THAT. BUT ONE DAY I'LL BE PROVEN RIGHT!

[Machismo]

i was trump wasnt a 2nd amendment supporter like he claimed thats why i didnt vote for him

Good for you. It's a shame so many fake 2A supporters around here decided to support Trump. their hypocrisy is a little too blatant.

[Edge-]

The whole thing is bat shit insane, but let's highlight a couple particularly bizarre bits:

Some of the specifics are pretty bad yeah, but I agree with the overall thrust of the bill.

That being said, despite the outrage-bait YT channels and conservative media picking this up and having a hissy fit over it, it's not going anywhere. This is one of those proposed bills that people LOVE to freak the fuck out about despite the fact that it's just literally gonna sit on a "to do" pile for two years before being tossed into the trash.

[Machismo]

No, that's different. Sure, he seriously proposed literally ignoring the Second, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendments. Sure, he had his administration unilaterally ban bump-stocks, a move that not even the Democratic administration in office before him took as that administration was concerned about Second Amendment issues and whether or not the Executive branch had the authority to make such a move.

BUT IT'S THEM DARNED DEMS COMIN TO TAKE R GUNS, I TELLS YA! MAYBE NOT THIS DECADE. MAYBE NOT LAST DECADE. OR THE DECADE BEFORE THAT. OR BEFORE THAT. OR MAYBE NOT EVEN IN THE NEXT DECADE. OR THE DECADE AFTER THAT. BUT ONE DAY I'LL BE PROVEN RIGHT!

I do rather enjoy the fact that Trump restricted firearms more than Obama ever did as president.

I'm a big fan of irony.

[Roxinius]

Good for you. It's a shame so many fake 2A supporters around here decided to support Trump. their hypocrisy is a little too blatant.

exactly i knew what trump was in 2016 he was still the same ny democrat he's always been just had that little R now so everything he did was a ok for the right

[Machismo]

exactly i knew what trump was in 2016 he was still the same ny democrat he's always been just had that little R now so everything he did was a ok for the right

Except, he's not a Democrat... the GOP was dead silent when he did it.

You don't get to blame the Democrats for something the Republicans did.

[Roxinius]

Except, he's not a Democrat... the GOP was dead silent when he did it.

You don't get to blame the Democrats for something the Republicans did.

wasnt blaming them im calling him out for what he is and not all of us were silent plenty of gun owners were pissed on all of his anti second amendment bullshit

[Machismo]

wasnt blaming them im calling him out for what he is and not all of us were silent plenty of gun owners were pissed on all of his anti second amendment bullshit

That means all the GOP who supported him in two elections are also Democrats...
Considering his support was over 90% from the GOP, that means that at least 90% of the GOP voters don't give a shit about gun rights, including almost every "conservative" in this very thread.