My brother reduced his tenant's rent and made her sleep with him as compensation.

[Roose]

You and the rest of the white knights who keep trying to paint this business arrangement as "extortion", "rape", "blackmail" and similar terms that do not apply to the situation.

Call me a white knight all day. Better than an extorting black knight if that is how it works. That is, if you want to look at this in a black and white context.

Scumbags will never understand how to be decent. Decent people will never understand how scumbags function.

Only posting in here because I am not bumping this garbage by doing so.

[Ashnazg]

Yes.
Because then she wouldn't be coerced into sex with someone she doesn't want to have sex with.

It just baffles me how you can say that with a straight face.

If he says: "pay or leave" its ok, if he says: "pay or leave or have sex" its extortion? Are you fucking kidding me. Does she have no brains, no willpower, and no ability to say "no"? How little you must think of women.

The fact of the matter is, she is given an option that she does not have to take. Ergo its not extortion unless you live in some kind of fucked up dreamland where anytime someone has an additional option available to them, its an automatic extortion because they "have to take it".

[Purlina]

It just baffles me how you can say that with a straight face.

If he says: "pay or leave" its ok, if he says: "pay or leave or have sex" its extortion? Are you fucking kidding me. Does she have no brains, no willpower, and no ability to say "no"? How little you must think of women.

The fact of the matter is, she is given an option that she does not have to take. Ergo its not extortion unless you live in some kind of fucked up dreamland where anytime someone has an additional option available to them, its an automatic extortion because they "have to take it".

What do you call it when your boss tells you to have sex with him, or get fired? In this situation it's have sex, or get evicted.

[Austilias]

What do you call it when your boss tells you to have sex with him, or get fired?

I'd call it a bad boss and quit at the moment of proposition rather than get fired as well as likely reporting the incident. Freedom of choice is always present and it seems the girl in the OP's story erred to the option of sex as payment.

[Purlina]

I'd call it a bad boss and quit at the moment of proposition rather than get fired as well as likely reporting the incident. Freedom of choice is always present and it seems the girl in the OP's story erred to the option of sex as payment.

Although you have the freedom to choose, it still does not make the situation moral.

[Ashnazg]

What do you call it when your boss tells you to have sex with him, or get fired? In this situation it's have sex, or get evicted.

That's an incorrect comparison because you're implying the boss is demanding sex under a threat of firing you - which is extortion.

In this case, the person is being "fired/evicted" for objective reasons, not to extort sex. In other words, the cause of the eviction is NOT the person's refusal to the sex proposition, but their refusal to PAY RENT, which is a perfectly valid reason for an eviction notice. An analogy with the employment situation does not work. Your best bet is to say that a person, who would be fired ANYWAY for non-performance on the job, is offered an option to stay in exchange for sex. In that case, this isn't extortion - its prostitution on part of the employee.

[Purlina]

In that case, this isn't extortion - its prostitution on part of the employee.

Which is still wrong and depending on the where you live, illegal.

[Vinictus]

Nice.

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[Suikoden]

This thread is STILL going? O_o

Well yeah. :O

Said topic is pretty morally screwed up.

[Ashnazg]

Which is still wrong and depending on the where you live, illegal.

What does that have to do with anything? I was saying its not extortion.

[Marypoopins]

bam illegal

[Sinraye]

Doesn't matter if he did or did not threaten her, force her, coerce etc...

Point is she didn't want to sleep with this guy and he knows it yet he is using her financial situation to get her to sleep with him, even if he is not forcing, threatening her per se. Even if she accepted the deal, she does not want to have sex with this guy - isn't that rape? Since it's against her WILL (not what she says but what she feels?) The guy can't exactly say he didn't know she felt this way. This would be enough in Sweden for the guy to get prosecuted at least. In some countries she too would be presecuted for prostitution. So stop with all the discussion whether he forced her or not... he used her. Wrong is wrong, and it's easy to see this is wrong whether or not your law specifies it or not.

[Deleted]

That's pretty messed up. She should get her act together and get the fuck out of that place.

[Purlina]

She's 18 years old supporting herself and her brother, and trying to go to college.

They probably have a hard time just getting by...

[Gheld]

co·erce
/kōˈərs/
Verb

1.Persuade (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats.
2.Obtain (something) by such means.

So unless he unequivocally raped her, or made any kind of a threat, it doesn't matter whether or not she would sleep with him under normal circumstances, the word coerce does not apply to this situation.

That would be like saying "I don't normally get involved in discussions about situations analogous to prostitution, but because I find your misuse of the word coerce obnoxious you have thusly coerced me into participating in this discussion"

[Ashnazg]

Doesn't matter if he did or did not threaten her, force her, coerce etc...

Point is she didn't want to sleep with this guy and he knows it yet he is using her financial situation to get her to sleep with him, even if he is not forcing, threatening her per se. Even if she accepted the deal, she does not want to have sex with this guy - isn't that rape? Since it's against her WILL (not what she says but what she feels?) The guy can't exactly say he didn't know she felt this way. This would be enough in Sweden for the guy to get prosecuted at least. In some countries she too would be presecuted for prostitution. So stop with all the discussion whether he forced her or not... he used her. Wrong is wrong, and it's easy to see this is wrong whether or not your law specifies it or not.

Please don't tell me you said what you just said. Are you actually, seriously, with a straight face, telling me that if a girl doesn't like the person she is having sex with - that's rape? Holy wow. You must think every sex worker, every porn star, and most every person in an unhappy relationship is getting continuously raped.

And no, I am sure that would not be enough to prosecute a person in Sweden (although, this is a country that brought us fake Assange charges, so who knows).

[Halicia]

Should he have just done what most landlords do and said, "pay or leave?"

Again, lawyer's would have a field day with that.

He signed a contract, he can't simply tell her to GTFO because she won't sleep with him. As I pointed out before, its usually felony rape as well as a slamdunk civil case. If this story is the slightest bit true (which the multiple postings across the internet leads to doubt), then you should get her a lawyer.

[Gheld]

Again, lawyer's would have a field day with that.

He signed a contract, he can't simply tell her to GTFO because she won't sleep with him. As I pointed out before, its usually felony rape as well as a slamdunk civil case. If this story is the slightest bit true (which the multiple postings across the internet leads to doubt), then you should get her a lawyer.

According to the OP that's not what happened. He offered her reduced rent in exchange for sex(i.e. a special dispensation from HER contractual obligations). There is no information to suggest that he had any intent to violate his contractual obligations.

So you are making things up. You are twisting the discussion. And people who later join the discussion are going to see the details you made up instead of reading the OP. Which is just downright low.

[Tauton]

bbc news just had this, made me think of this thread:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-20936243

[Gheld]

bbc news just had this, made me think of this thread:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-20936243

Except a 15 year old can't legally consent to sex. An 18 year old can.