I get confused with these kind of notes, so are these changes in addition to the already announced changes? i.e we still get +50 energy and ST has ranged autos? or is all that reverted now?
I get confused with these kind of notes, so are these changes in addition to the already announced changes? i.e we still get +50 energy and ST has ranged autos? or is all that reverted now?
I think we're looking at this from two different points of view. I'm at the point with this game that efficiency is the last thing on my mind. Hit and Run was fun. Nothing else we have is very fun.
I understand that we're excited about changes and additions but it was only a few days ago that we were filling these forums with talks of a flashier rogue, a rogue that was fun to play, not just one who put out better numbers. Not saying that's what you're implying... just a friendly reminder to the readers.
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I'll prolly stick to Shs, now if ShS becomes baseline and they implement hit and run + cloak and dagger then I will prolly often change my spec to what is best for a situation...now I never spec out of ShS...
Just hope they would do that, I guess prep baseline is already very nice.
I'm hoping they buff BF a little bit more, the recent buff isnt bad, but still feels a bit meh to blow 20% energy nerf on.
Its funny to see how rogue first has been gutted since Cata and now every spec gets everything and plays the same... and the price for that seems to be, that we become autoattack bots.
newest blue post, the next PTR build Blade Flurry will do 40% normal damage up to 4 additional targets. Also we assumed correctly with the two piece set bonus, it works with all finishers that have a duration, including kidney shot and recuperate.
Would like a link for that - anyway a predictable move, nerfing BF to 25% would have made it literally useless.
As for set bonus, i now assume that it works with SnD, Rupture, Envenom (the buff), Recuperate and KS. Well, even if it didn't include KS and Recup anything would have changed - basically more time between Rup/SnD refresh to dish ou additional Eviscerates; for assa it will be even more passive due to SnD automatic refresh and slower gameplay due to to more pooling because of the longer envenom buff.
Don't like much these set bonuses.
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Tin foil hat time: Perhaps they're intentionally geared toward sub pve with slight improvements to pvp to get more people playing sub so less people go to raid bots and think it's a terrible spec.
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Yea its super the nerf ofc, but still after they killed this class in every possible and impossible way, its really perfection that the regen is dead and in case u activate bf u get the punishment 20% regen kill? yea right i will surely use that non stop, i will even let the bf active all my life mhmmm. Sub looks good but we see it live
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As long as ST isn't being nerfed I'm fine with it as I'm going TO BE A THROW ROGUE IN BG'S like Reckful that was hilarious hahaha ahhh good times. No but really the amount of whining of ST is just funny as hell on their forum anyway.Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
I personally believe that the ST change will result in it being a buff, but I think we'll need a sim to be sure.
On live you have like a +19% miss chance. Assuming you are yellow hit capped and your autoattack would be 100, you would expect 81 damage on average. But wait! 20% of your hits glance or so, and when they glance it is for 75% of normal damage. Since white attacks are just one hit table, you would expect that there would be 19 spots for a miss, 20 spots for a glance, and lets just say your crit rate is 22%, so you have 22 spots for a crit, and the remaining 39 spots are normal hit.
0 x .19 = 0
75 x .20 = 15
200 x .22 = 44
100 x .39 = 39
------ > 98
...and 81 of these hits can proc deadly poison and combat potency. For sub and combat, that's 24.3 DP procs, for muti, 40.5. CP I think has 8.57 ppm (I think it was given a value assuming those old 1.4 daggers, and it now scales). In any event, lets go ahead and assume a 28% chance- the value doesn't matter too much here as long as it is ballpark. That means that combat gets 22.68 procs.
Ok, that's your white table. Now lets do it as yellow attacks... There's no misses and no glances. These add to the "regular hit" table, enlarging it (or it might push it to a two roll system, but it's the same results in this case). But each attack is weaker- 80 for regular and 160 for a crit.
Yielding:
160 x .22 = 35.2
80 x .78 = 62.4
-------> 97.6
So baseline ST will lose us .04% of autoattack damage, a loss but a trivial one. As GC said, the number was chosen to equal that out, and it does- at least at today's crit levels.
However C and S are looking at 30 deadly poison procs instead of 24.3. Assassination is looking at 50 instead of 40.5. And C gets 28 energy hits instead of 22.68. I'm pretty sure these weapon procs will push shuriken throw auto attacks ahead of regular- but remember another cost of ST is ST itself instead of using that energy for a more damaging melee attack.
Net result - I think we'll need a sim, because if this ends up being a gain, which looks likely, it will be a small one- and probably less than MfD or Anticipation, but who knows yet!
I think it would be interesting if you could perceive a small gain over Anticipation by maintaining the ST buff on expiry through extra autoattack procs.
EDIT: Assume it is late in a tier, or you stack crit for some reason, and you have a 40% crit rate. In that case the white attack number becomes 116, and the yellow hit 80% number becomes 112- so as crit goes up, the yellow number gets smaller than the white number.
Last edited by Verain; 2013-01-12 at 05:43 PM.
Verain: You definitely do not want to ST weave in PvE. You only get the replacement autoattacks if you cast ST from 10+yd. If you cast ST in melee range, you just get the ST yellow attack and no autoattack-replacement buff.
ST weaving would mean stepping away to cast it, and that would negate any benefit you gain from the yellow-hit autoattacks.
Last edited by shadowboy; 2013-01-13 at 01:47 AM.
Welp, fuck all that noise then. Thanks, nothing about that in the tooltip.