Is the left engaging in salami tactics? And what should we do about it?

[Nadev]

Who the fuck actually deems one of their friends as 'liberal friend'?

I'd actually prefer "Le Troll Lib".

On topic, I believe that losing this election is ultimately the best thing for the Republican Party. To lose an election when the unemployment rate was above for 8% for almost the incumbent's entire first term is nothing short of embarassing. This allows the GOP to do some real soul searching and I think that the best step forward for them is introduce national legislation to legalize gay marriage. Obama and the Democrats aren't going to do it because they know that gay people are firmly in their camp, largely because of all the stupid things state Republican officials blurt that go straight to the Internet. After this, steps should be taken to legalize marijuana among other things.

In short: The GOP needs to be the party about liberty, freedom and rights, not the party of catchy bumper stickers. Taking initiative on these issues will certainly steal some wind from the Democrats' sail.

[semaphore]

Basically, people (or the vast majority of) subconsciously believe that understanding your opponent's views is the same thing as agreeing with him. When asked "why does person X disagree with you?" your first instinct is "because he's an idiot!"

Maybe for some people. Fairly certain it's not mine. I might just seem that way because I tend to go into a debate fully equipped with the necessary facts, allowing me to point out that an argument is based on ignorance of the facts.

You've done that. You've probably done it several times today.

I encourage you to point out where that happened. Today would be nice.

Don't be content with just dismissing people as irrational idiots.

It depends on the people in question. Swazi is not known to actually respond to reason or counterarguments.

[Sky High]

I'd actually prefer "Le Troll Lib".

well aren't you a friend indeed.

[Kalyyn]

Wait, aren't you a liberal? Your signature says you're a democratic socialist.

Well apparently I'm a liberal democrat, so I personally have no freaking clue what any of these terms mean anymore...

[Sky High]

Well apparently I'm a liberal democrat, so I personally have no freaking clue what any of these terms mean anymore...

bullshit....?

[Nakura Chambers]

Regarding your point about rifles however, what I cannot grasp is why a person would actually need one. Potential for crimes aside, what is your average Joe gonna do with a semi-automatic weapon? You've already established it's not for hunting, so why do you need a rifle when a handgun would suffice just as well? Or is this just American largesse at play?

Rifles are infinitely more useful for home defense (though not out-of-house defense) than handguns. Handguns alone aren't going to keep the government in check. Also, while the Second Amendment wasn't made for hunting, the fact of the matter is that the AR-15 and other semi-automatic rifles are generally considered to be the best hunting rifles available. In fact, the AR-15 is the most popular rifle on the market for hunting.

The burden of trying to justify taking away our freedom and ban stuff rests solely on the those who wish to take away said freedom. That's like me saying we should gas the Jews and then demanding you tell me why we shouldn't.

[Grizzly Willy]

Well apparently I'm a liberal democrat, so I personally have no freaking clue what any of these terms mean anymore...

Because his classifications are fucking dumb.

[Xanjori]

Well apparently I'm a liberal democrat, so I personally have no freaking clue what any of these terms mean anymore...

I dont get at all why you label someone. Its a ridiculous way to do politics.

[Daskapital]

To quote a debate I had with my liberal friend:
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So you admit that your government is diverse enough that it wont deploy drones and nukes against the populace, but that it will use the ostensibly right wing soldiers in its employ to terrorize its people. It just seems like cognitive dissonance to me.

[Magpai]

Okay, then how's this one. He thinks the more sex a woman has, the more birth control pills she needs.

Call him intelligent now. Do it.

No thanks, unlike you I am not interested in discussing Rush Limbaugh because it's not relevant to the topic at hand.

[Sky High]

Rifles are infinitely more useful for home defense (though not out-of-house defense) than handguns. Handguns alone aren't going to keep the government in check.

no your right, its not like they don't have tanks, jets, missiles. but no your cute rifle alone will do the job.

[Wells]

No thanks, unlike you I am not interested in discussing Rush Limbaugh.

Yes you are.

[Rukentuts]

No thanks, unlike you I am not interested in discussing Rush Limbaugh because it's not relevant to the topic at hand.

Yeah, as soon as someone addresses Rush in an non-ad hominem way, THEN he's irrelevant.

[semaphore]

Well apparently I'm a liberal democrat, so I personally have no freaking clue what any of these terms mean anymore...

Meh, political labels are pointless anyway.

[Grizzly Willy]

no your right, its not like they don't have tanks, jets, missiles. but no your cute rifle alone will do the job.

That's not who they would attack, though. They would attack civilians that support the government.

[Cthulhu 2020]

The only way I'll go back to being a republican is if the GOP experiences a grand sundering that removes every fiscally irresponsible, socially conservative piece of shit that's holding the reins right now. Until then I'm firmly in the libertarian camp.

This, as soon as the Republican Party gets back on track with being more moderate, I may start voting for them again.

Rush Limbaugh has had many gems over the years, but to give a people an idea of how far his depravity goes, Rush claimed that Hurricane Isaac hitting where it did was a conspiracy planned out by Obama to make the Republican convention a disaster area because Obama was afraid of Mitt Romney. But you know, Obama himself can control the weather... because holding the Republican convention in southern Florida during peak hurricane season is obviously a smart thing to do.

[Nakura Chambers]

Swazi I don't want your spam, I want links. To data.

Provide specific citations for your claim that crime always goes up with gun control.

Perhaps the best source you'll ever find. It's well sourced and doesn't pull any punches.

[Sky High]

That's not who they would attack, though. They would attack civilians that support the government.

the government or the militia sawzi's in?

scratch that its obviously the guys in the woods with a barns full of guns and ammunition.

[Wells]

Perhaps the best source you'll ever find. It's well sourced and doesn't pull any punches.

Where in this link does it say that gun control always causes an increase in crime?

[Grizzly Willy]

the government or the militia sawzi's in?

The militia. That has been the usual response I've seen.