Yes, and the gun laws back then were leaner than they are now. It shows that even leaner gun laws than we have now, would not help if government came for you. It proves that having guns no longer has the intended effect, because just like technological advances changed what guns people have, the weapons government has is much more advanced.
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Were gun laws leaner or more tight at that time?
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
You are assuming that the government would be using bombs and shit which would most likely not happen on us soil. it would be all on ground, men with guns.
Gun laws being leaner or tighter are one thing, gun laws being leaner or tighter for japanese americans is another.
You don't know the future, yet use a prediction to demonstrate what you know?
The constitucion has been amended many times, but that includes voting rights for minorities. You simply cannot hinge the changing of the constitucion on solely negative view, unless you have an irrational destain for government.
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
If law abiding citizens are not allowed to own assault weapons, then the government already controls it's people with NO POSSIBLE way to overthrow mislead/corrupted government that's in power. As much as I'd LOVE to protect my family with a single loading daisy bb-gun - I think one person with ANY type of fully auto weapon would be 10 to 1 ratio of actual RAW POWER vs, single action... Whatever, I'm sure I just added into the flame
No, that's your assumption. My assumption is simply based on trained personal using guns that you cannot afford. I am assuming that US millitary outnumbers you and has more resources. I am assuming that it would be much easier to get any armed to the teeth American citizen, than an armed to the teeth Bin Ladin in Pakistan.
Who is proposing such a law? The laws were leaner than they are now, before Pearl Harbor. Yet, they did not help with either the Japanese being put in camps or the attack it self.
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
There was a gun control act right after the repeal of prohibition that outlawed all gangster style weapons, notably the Thompson Machinegun. So that has to be early 30's.
The most successful tyranny is not the one that uses force to assure uniformity but the one that removes the awareness of other possibilities.
The government already controls it's people. Who do you think enforces the laws we have? Even with assault weapons, you do not have the ability to go to a war with a country that is capable of having 2 wars against whole countries, while having troops in just about every part of the world. Going up against the government is a delusion of grandeur... They have unmanned drones... Aircraft carriers... Trained personal... Bigger guns than you can afford and they are trained to use them...
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
The most successful tyranny is not the one that uses force to assure uniformity but the one that removes the awareness of other possibilities.
I suggest most of you gun control advocates educate yourselves before opening your mouths and sounding like idiots. Here's a starting point:
1) The term "Assault Rifle" refers to select fire (choice between semi auto and full auto usually) rifles that are in use in the military and HEAVILY regulated and restricted for civilian use. These literally have nothing to do with the current discussion as they are not relevant to the recent incident that sparked all of this jibber jabber.
2) The term "Assault Weapon" is a term that politicians made up to make certain types of firearms sound scary and is based primarily on cosmetic features which have little to do with the function or lethality of a firearm.
3) Semi automatic means that you pull the trigger every time you fire. It is impossible for semi automatic firearms to fire more than 1 shot for each trigger pull.
So are you... If we assume millitary does not go along with it, what enforsment are your guns protecting you from? The millitary, is the only federal enforsment tool. If you remove them from the equation, than there is nothing to protect your self from that stems from the government. You think senators and judges will pick up arms against US millitary?
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
Ban guns. I'm sure it'll make them magically disappear from closets and cabinets. Ban assault weapons- we see how well banning cocaine and heroine have worked. Ultimately- put it on paper if it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling... my guns not going anywhere.
Are you addicted to guns? Do guns create an addiction where the consumer's body craves another hit, to the point where the cost of manufacturing is incredibly slanted due to the demand? If you honestly think guns and drugs are the same, you have a problem and should not be permitted to own guns. People who have a physical craving for guns due to a dependance, should go to rehab before they are permitted to own a gun.
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Than and then can eat my ass... I'm aknowledging it, but not fixing it...
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
No it wouldn't. Anyone that wants to shoot up a school or government building or anything else for that matter would still have access to any tool they desired to have access to. Just because something becomes illegal does not mean people stop having access to it. Cocaine is illegal. Yet you still see people ODing on the stuff, don't you.
Also, someone earlier made a VERY valid point. Some of the largest mass murders in history were done without the use of guns. Hell, two planes were crashed into two of the tallest structures in the world with only the use of BOX CUTTERS. Should we outlaw box cutters because of 9/11?
Banning automatic weapons does nothing to solve the problem. I mean, think about it this way. Remember Columbine? Tragic, am I right? Where did parents put the blame? Video games. Did we start banning violent video games from being made because of it? Last time I checked, the games only got more graphic and more violent as the years have gone forward. Yet for some crazy reason, there's not a "mass high school shooting of the week" segment on ABC news as a result of that very "necessary" ban.
Crazy people do crazy shit, and there's nothing you're going to do and no law you're going to pass to stop them. Period. The best solution is better security at public schools.
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To everyone saying that banning assault weapons won't reduce murder rates... Come on now.
If an item is banned, that means that it no longer can be sold publicly, and must be acquired on a black-market esq level.
When you buy something like that, It becomes MORE EXPENSIVE because of the prohibitive nature of the product. It also in many cases will become less effective.
Everyday joe shmoes will never come into contact with the banned gun, because they can no longer go out and buy one to shoot for fun in the same way that they can today. Professional criminals will have a significantly harder time getting the guns, thus indirectly lowering the death toll.
Example: Gun A. is banned. Normally, Eric could go and buy gun A from a local armory. Since that armory can no longer carry that gun, Eric can no longer obtain it. John, a thief who would have possibly stolen the gun when he broke into Eric's house should he actually aquired the gun, now no longer gets ahold of gun A. John can then no longer use that gun to rob the nearest place with a cash register as he would have with the gun, regardless of the fact that given the opportunity, John would have ignored the gun ban law.
How about this for common sense. Keep everything as legal as it is now. At the same time increase police everywhere. I do mean everywhere, pretend I'm doing the 'every out house, dog house' scene from the fugitive. In malls, pre-schools, theater, colleges, donut shops, gas stations, I mean everywhere. The only change? Increase taxes on all gun products to pay for every bit of spending that has to happen to keep the public safe. This is also the low end of the spectrum, I'd prefer a tax on all gun products that would net a surplus. Keep everything as legal as it is, but make those who buy guns pay to keep the public safe from the small chance that one is used to comit crime. Those with guns already will see no impact on them, unless they by more than they already have. All new gun owners will have a huge impact on public safety, which is all they want anyway.
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi