Troll Racial - 5.2

[ChaosWolf]

People who genuinely think racials have THAT big an advantage are seriously overrated.

Not all the hardcore raid tanks switched to Tauren back when they had a stamina-buff racial. Some did, yes, but not all.

Racials nowadays are flavor.

[Deleted]

I don't get all the "leave variety in game" posts. As if 5% extra dmg against beasts would affect ANYTHING atm. It's completely unnoticeable, but with 5.2 it will be.

---------- Post added 2013-02-10 at 02:05 AM ----------

People who genuinely think racials have THAT big an advantage are seriously overrated.

Not all the hardcore raid tanks switched to Tauren back when they had a stamina-buff racial. Some did, yes, but not all.

Racials nowadays are flavor.

5% bonus dmg to certain raid bosses =/= some stamina.

[Lyaelan]

so why shouldn't we when were put at a 5% disadvantage or need multiple silences in a 10 man when horde can just have 4-5 blood elfs.

Well, firstly, horde raids aren't (can't be) made up entirely of trolls - so that's out. Also, any troll healers will have their racial effectively nullified. So let's say half the horde raid are trolls. (Hypothetically - this could be more, it could be less.) In a ten man, one of these trolls are healers. One is a tank. That leaves four trolls doing 5% more dps (one of whom is a tank). Overall, this raid is doing.... (math's time!)

( 105% x 4 (4 trolls) + 100% x 4 (non trolls) ) / 8 people doing dps = 102.5% dps. So, even in a very troll heavy raid, the increase in DPS isn't anywhere near 5%!

[Deleted]

Well, firstly, horde raids aren't (can't be) made up entirely of trolls - so that's out. Also, any troll healers will have their racial effectively nullified. So let's say half the horde raid are trolls. (Hypothetically - this could be more, it could be less.) In a ten man, one of these trolls are healers. One is a tank. That leaves four trolls doing 5% more dps (one of whom is a tank). Overall, this raid is doing.... (math's time!)

( 105% x 4 (4 trolls) + 100% x 4 (non trolls) ) / 8 people doing dps = 102.5% dps. So, even in a very troll heavy raid, the increase in DPS isn't anywhere near 5%!

1) They can be. Last time I checked paladins weren't mandatory.

2) Let's take your number: 2.5% overall dps increase. HUGE in a cutting edge progression guild.

[Razorice]

Haha. Can't wait to see world first 25HC with 25 Trolls in it.

[Tehstool]

3, maximum 4 out of 13.

Jin'rokh the Breaker - Humanoid
Horridon - Beast
Council of Elders - Humanoids
Tortos - Beast
Megaera - Possibly Beast
Ji-kun - Beast
Durumu - Demon
Primordius - Humanoid
Dark Animus - Mechanical
Iron Qon - Humanoid
Twin Consorts - Humanoid
Lei Shen - Humanoid
Ra-den - Giant

Megaera is a beast and Iron Qon has some quilens that are beasts that you have to dps in order to kill him. So I'd say that fight is half beast lol.

[Isiildur]

If you cared this much about min/maxing in the first place, you were most likely already troll.

The racial won't hugely imbalance things because the encounters won't be tuned around the troll racial, and therefore the top end guilds will get it at roughly the same pace. It might have some effects on middle ranked guilds, but it isn't a big deal. No one cares about non-end wing bosses in the end, anyway.

[Pert]

Well, firstly, horde raids aren't (can't be) made up entirely of trolls - so that's out. Also, any troll healers will have their racial effectively nullified. So let's say half the horde raid are trolls. (Hypothetically - this could be more, it could be less.) In a ten man, one of these trolls are healers. One is a tank. That leaves four trolls doing 5% more dps (one of whom is a tank). Overall, this raid is doing.... (math's time!)

( 105% x 4 (4 trolls) + 100% x 4 (non trolls) ) / 8 people doing dps = 102.5% dps. So, even in a very troll heavy raid, the increase in DPS isn't anywhere near 5%!

The only class Trolls are barred from is Paladin. I'm not sure what sort of raid composition you're envisioning, but it seems unrealistic.

[Kralljin]

If you cared this much about min/maxing in the first place, you were most likely already troll.

Personally i'm an Orc as Elemental, a Dps loss that can be compensated, a 5% gap however is a different story.

The racial won't hugely imbalance things because the encounters won't be tuned around the troll racial, and therefore the top end guilds will get it at roughly the same pace. It might have some effects on middle ranked guilds, but it isn't a big deal. No one cares about non-end wing bosses in the end, anyway.

That Depends on the Encounter, if those Encounter are a decent Dps Race, you will have no choice but to go troll, you want to kill the Boss as fast as possible to continue your progress on harder bosses.

[Moshots]

You're not even close to be seriously affected by this. World 591 does not qualify as cutting edge, however outstanding your personal performance may be, sorry. I'd say probably none of the guilds that are in the real running for #1 are currently alliance. With Pulse, Kin Raiders, ScrubBusters and KpawTect being in the gray-zone. You may be pissed that you didn't down a boss when a full troll raid under idenctical circumstances would, but for all but the absolute bleeding edge, it doesn't matter in any real way, any real bit.

tell that the vodka. Blood legion's racials didn't help them get a 3-5 day advantage on progression after that enrage timer kill. Nope. and what rank are you? bet your guild can't even clear normal modes so talk shit bout someone else. Maybe I raided top 30 US all of cata. and got tired of the 25 hours a week raid schedule. maybe? hmm Maybe I raid with a guild that on 14 hours a week is sitting decently inside the top 100 US. yeah I think im fine with my progression right now.

[Tehstool]

tell that the vodka. Blood legion's racials didn't help them get a 3-5 day advantage on progression after that enrage timer kill. Nope. and what rank are you? bet your guild can't even clear normal modes so talk shit bout someone else. Maybe I raided top 30 US all of cata. and got tired of the 25 hours a week raid schedule. maybe? hmm Maybe I raid with a guild that on 14 hours a week is sitting decently inside the top 100 US. yeah I think im fine with my progression right now.

Vodka merged with exodus and is now on the horde.

[Gaexion Ramza Beoulve]

"Troll advantage"

I feel like there is some kind of joke here, what is the joke, can the interbutt's best and brightest point it out to me?

[azurrei]

Oh my. What a question you raise at the end there. How long can it take? There is untold potential for damage when code changes are made. Even minor code changes can have drastic effects in other areas. No code change is safe. Not a single one. 10 years in game design has proven that to me.

As for Blizzard not changing the racial, or making it not effect bosses and such... Okay, 5% is pretty big in terms of racials (which usually live in the range of 1% and such) but in the overall scheme of things... it's 50k damage per million. Sure, that means that trolls are going to higher on the meters than their non troll counterparts... I guess I just don't see how this could really effect things much.

We are not talking about raiders switching to troll to do more damage on the meters. We are talking about the Top 10-20 guilds in the world getting 5% more raid damage (especially huge in 25-man.)

If any of the bosses are DPS races to beat a super tight enrage on Heroic mode, 5% is HUGE

If any of the bosses are extremely taxing on healing because of massive damage on Heroic mode, where an extra healer could make or break success during the World (or realm) first race, 5% is HUGE

I really hope that a bunch of the top guilds re-roll trolls to win the race - I think it would be HILARIOUS.

Blizzard probably is not concerned because it is going to be a staggered raid release. It will probably be the EIGHTH week of the patch before guilds can do the Heroic version of the last wing, including Lei Shen and Ra-Den - which are the only kills that really count in the end.

[Valanna]

tell that the vodka. Blood legion's racials didn't help them get a 3-5 day advantage on progression after that enrage timer kill. Nope. and what rank are you? bet your guild can't even clear normal modes so talk shit bout someone else. Maybe I raided top 30 US all of cata. and got tired of the 25 hours a week raid schedule. maybe? hmm Maybe I raid with a guild that on 14 hours a week is sitting decently inside the top 100 US. yeah I think im fine with my progression right now.

I quit after Dragon Soul. I was in Method. I got tired of the 25 hours a day raid schedule. Maybe I raid with a guild that doesn't raid? Yeah, I think I'm fine with my progression right know.

---------- Post added 2013-02-10 at 03:38 AM ----------

Megaera is a beast and Iron Qon has some quilens that are beasts that you have to dps in order to kill him. So I'd say that fight is half beast lol.

If we're going to count adds, then we're in the same league as other races' racials. It won't yield nearly 5% overall damage, probably closer to what the 1% worgen crit yields.

[Teokis]

Complaining over such a small thing..

Yay!

I'll complain about the HUMAN racial which is the real one that should be changed..

[Valanna]

Complaining over such a small thing..

Yay!

I'll complain about the HUMAN racial which is the real one that should be changed..

You must be new. When the human racial was new there was a slightly bigger shitstorm than this is. Slightly.

[Rhozul]

What I'm gathering is that people would rather have a race with a racial that is absolutely irrelevant as compared to a race that has a racial that is powerful on a handful of bosses. This is seriously the first time since Karazhan that there have been Beast raid bosses in the game and the Beast bosses account for 1/3 of the raid. Considering that Lei Shen and Ra-den are likely to end up as the "raid killer" bosses, I can't see people changing to troll just for a short-term 5% damage increase.

[Snes]

So what we can gather from this thread is:
-Players want homogenization of racials, unless it's their race
-Blizzard is racist

Huh. Gotta love the MMO champ community these days. Whiners.

[Lighto73]

tell that the vodka. Blood legion's racials didn't help them get a 3-5 day advantage on progression after that enrage timer kill. Nope. and what rank are you? bet your guild can't even clear normal modes so talk shit bout someone else. Maybe I raided top 30 US all of cata. and got tired of the 25 hours a week raid schedule. maybe? hmm Maybe I raid with a guild that on 14 hours a week is sitting decently inside the top 100 US. yeah I think im fine with my progression right now.

According to your armory, you got Madness Heroic in March. Hardly cutting edge when world first was in December.

[Moshots]

According to your armory, you got Madness Heroic in March. Hardly cutting edge when world first was in December.

and acording to your armory your def part of the 97% who don't deserve a say in balance.
I quit in Ds when my guild disbanded cause DS was so god damn boring they would rather play SWTOR than show up to raid. kinda like half of the guilds in the top 100. Look at my sinestra kill and rag kill.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...shrooms/simple is my druids armory that was my main. Its now a alt I use for a IRL buddy's alt run.