Can someone explain why ANYONE should be worried about this shit?
This information isn't going to be to used to go after Pirate Bay uploaders/downloaders. That information is already available and I'm sure, if you have been, your access is already being monitored. So can someone please explain why ANYONE needs to cry Wolf?
A fitting avatar you have there But yes, this is true. Privacy and freedom are basic rights, not luxuries and it doesn't matter that they don't drag people off to jail who aren't doing anything wrong. If we allow even the slightest violation of these, it will open a door for the larger ones.
Funny how those who claim to be "the good guys" only have to use words like Terror and Copyright to completely dismiss peoples rights, the geneva convention and many many other things that they are so busy starting wars with "the bad guys" over.
What happened on 9/11 was actually that the terrorists won.
I'm not Surprised. There was been quite a few of these bills in the past, and I'm sure there will be more in the future.
There is a german political cabaretist called "Volker Pispers" who portayed this phenomenon. He states that an actual terrorist has more rights than we (who all are potential terrorists).
LMAO, no one has yet to answer my question.
I take it no one has a good answer. Which means, to me, that it's rabble rousing. Unless, you're a hacker, terrorist, or a pedobear with kiddie pron, then I doubt you have anything to worry about. Your freely downloaded games, software, movies, and music will be fine, as it currently is now.
Your information is ALREADY available to those that would A) Need it B) Abuse it. It is already being done with the CURRENT laws and regulation. From what I understand, the law basically allows Corporations to give the information up on security breaches, without being held liable for damages.
For example, if Visa gets hacked. Then they have to give the information up to the Feds. Numbers, names, addresses and etc. This in turn, could lead to then information gathering on Credit Fraud/IRS evasion. So let's say, John Doe has more than one name, hides the information from the IRS, but because Visa got hacked. His information was turned in, bread crumbs lead to real name, and his account is Flagged, because he is committing Tax Evasion. Now John, then can't turn around and get his case thrown out, because that wasn't what the information was for.
Also if said hacking of Visa occurs, then it's possible that if Visa is within bounds of "properly regarding safety" and the information is stolen. Then you can't turn around and sue Visa because it isn't Visa "fault". Now this might be an issue for people. Then basically, a judge would then have to decide if Visa should be held liable for damages, on credit. Then each individual would have to sue the person responsible for the theft. Which could lead to some seriously fucked up court cases.
If you're a mostly stand up citizen. Then you have absolutely nothing to worry about. I have no idea why anyone with reputable actions needs to worry.
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I believe the difference is in the following:
Current case:
You do something questionable online. Such as download a movie illegally.
third party representing the company that made the movie finds out about it
they contact the ISP which hosts your IP and send a cease and desist letter
(They can't just get your information because it would require costly court fees/time, ISP's are required to protect your privacy)
They must repeat this process 3 times before the ISP can do anything about it (EI shut your internet off)
After CICSPA:
You do something questionable online. Such as download a movie illegally.
Third party representing the company that made the movie finds out about it
they contact the ISP which hosts your IP and they fork over your details for free, instantly, your ISP shuts your internet off for good and you go to jail as if a cop had arrested you on the street for public intoxication.
The tinfoil hat implication being that under the new law, things like patriot act could follow through, and your rights be stripped, not even so much as due process since you're a "cyber threat". You supposedly did wrong, they're the ultimate power, you pay hefty fines and go to jail for 5, 10, 15 years etc etc etc.
Additionally, things that aren't even remotely related to cyber threats could suddenly be deemed cyber threats since their definition is very lose, not to mention all the "hacking" software out there that could turn your computer into a cyber threat under their definition without you even knowing about it.
This may not be 100% accurate, but based on what I'm reading, that's the case.
What I'm getting from all this is, the internet is a big scary place, and the average dumbass consumer would rather tell their representative to 'DO SOMETHING' about how scary it is, than get educated and learn to navigate it themselves. That combined with the groups like the RIAA and the MPAA and so on that just want to literally murder every person who has ever done so much as listen to a song on their friends ipod for free.
So basically corporate greed + stupid people = Ultimate internet watch dog laws.
So we're going to continue to see this until one of them passes.
Signature Nazi's suck.
First off, Did you read the bill? Now, there isn't a third party firm group, that is going to be allowed access on the same level information as ANY government agency.
NSA Access to Data: Detrators fear that CISPA will allow for companies to hand over data to any branch of the government - including the military and the National Security Agency.First off, there has to be a - breach of security - for any information to be passed. Which means, hacking, phishing, or any other sort of cyber-breach.CISPA offers "good faith" immunity to companies that identify and report a cyber-security issue to the feds.
Now, how does that parallel to downloading movies, is what I am wondering.
My sentiments exactly on these online mediation bills, this was never about "national security" or anything of the like in regards to protecting the nation, this was about money from the start, so they can go fuck themselves if they think this is going to fly without a fight.
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