Then what was the reason of his treachery ? If he really is, and I suspect so ? Dont say that he was forced please. He could tell this to Lorthemar and not become the Traitor for his people and for Horde.
Then what was the reason of his treachery ? If he really is, and I suspect so ? Dont say that he was forced please. He could tell this to Lorthemar and not become the Traitor for his people and for Horde.
War is deception, a game played best from the shadows!
Personally i don't think he's a traitor. For me the sole speculation about the "uncomfortable" stuff is nonsense. But if he's really a traitor for whatever reason, he would NEVER do so for the sake of Garrosh. Of all the blood elves, he's the one that always despised Garrosh, he never liked to be in the Horde in the first place, and that was the reason for which he had such animosity with Rommath, that while not a "Horde lover", hated the Alliance and the Kirin Tor.
Ironically Rommath makes much more sense as a traitor for Garrosh than Aethas.
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What if Garrosh threatened Aethas, saying if he didn't allow the use of Sunreaver resources that he would brand the Blood Elves under Lor'Themar traitors for having talks with the Alliance (lets assume Garrosh found out about this), and wipe out Silvermoon?
Nothing Aethas can do could stop Garrosh in this scenario. If he spoke out to Lor'Themar it would be pointless, as he technically was in the wrong. There you go, a boss for SoO that is legitemately not evil, if anything they are good.
This is of course assuming Aethas wasn't involved in Theramore, which I truely believe he was innocent in.
well its obvious aethas helped garrosh out.
how far aethas actually allied himself garrosh is still unclear and is to be seen in 5.4
Obviously Aethas is the puppet-master pulling Garrosh' strings.
This is a sligthly better scenario, but have some flaws. First, while it is not a solid prove, i found Aethas extremely calm and convincing when he answered to Jaina. And the things are two at this point : or he was completely honest about it, or he's an incredible liar, cool and calculating. The second is very unlikely since Aethas is very young for his race and even a little naive, not really a schemer; and if he's not, if he was threatened by Garrosh in such a terrible way, there was no chance that he could remains so calm.
Plus, we saw his most true feelings when he became Sha-influnced in Silvermoon just some quests before the Purge, he said in his "altered" state that he was going to free the Blood Elves by the yoke of the Horde, and when he was in "himself", he even took the liberty of mocking Lor'themar for obeying Garrosh like a pet. I don't see all this fresh irony with someone threatened with the destruction of his homeland.
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It was secret meeting. Not even Aethas or Jaina knew about it. How could Garrosh possibly know about the meetings? If he knew about that meetings there Would be Lorthemar lying in the pool of Water instead of VolJin in Dagger in Dark scenario.
Garrosh would immediately execute Lorthemar.
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War is deception, a game played best from the shadows!
We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"
Which is why as I stated before, it's more likely that Aethas DID know about the theft of the Divine Bell (so he wasn't completely innocent) but chose to wait until the time to use it as a power play and as a bargaining chip to Jaina and the Alliance, but Jaina traced the incident and made her play before Aethas did. High risk high reward play, but backfired on him.
Aethas wanted to leave the Horde and has always been a Dalaran loyalist. He wouldn't openly cut ties or be in league with Garrosh after admitting under Sha possession that he wanted the Elves to leave the Horde and mocked Lor'themar for following the orders of Garrosh. Aethas saving the details and names to use as a way to negotiate the Sunreavers (at the least) to join the Alliance is plausible, especially when the talks about the Blood Elves joining the Alliance were secret talks between Varian and Lor'themar. Not even Jaina knew about it, much less Aethas.
It will all be irrelevant anyways due to us removing Garrosh from power in the final raid, thus removing the primary reason why the Blood Elves would leave the Horde. It gives them a logical lore out to keep MMO balance. I don't expect much more to come from this. Aethas being turned into a Garrosh loyalist, traitor, or boss would just be bad writing as it would be ignoring events and Aethas's character entirely just for the sake of giving us a twist.
Pretty much this. And the greatest reason for me is that Lor'themar claimed complete innocence of the Sunreavers in the face of Jaina, while Aethas knew, most probably discovered later, after the Purge, that Fanlyr in fact used Dalaran for steal the Bell. For this he felt a little...embarassed, for say it in a funny way.
It's worth to be said that while the things said as "sha-drank" are absolutely honest, that remain stuff said in a very "particular" emotional state, completely unnatural, and indeed he immediately apologized with Rommath when returned "normal". What i'm trying to say is that regardless of what he said during the sha infestation, he would never had the guts for do anything, nor his feelings are so powerful in his natural state for make him try to do anything of what he said in practice.
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Could be true
Take Ishi for example. He is a Orc warrior through and through, with the Lok-tar-ogar thing and all.
Yet when he was taken by Sha he expressed his doubt that the Horde can win the war, and fear of death. Things he would likely not say under "normal" conditions
We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"
The best line is "Why we must be slaves of honor, when we can slaughter the children of our enemies while they sleep?"
Creepy. Highlitened violence on it's pure state.
Funny thing is that Garrosh is pretty understanding, he's not offended at all, in fact seems he understand the particular state in which his warrior is, and just try to "help" him to fight his emotions.
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My fav was the whole doubt/despair phase
"Do you speak the truth Garrosh, Can the Horde truly survive another war. We have lost so much Warchief, our families dead, our friends lost, our homeland gone. How much more must our people suffer"
Even those who cheered for war against the Alliance have their doubts
We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"
The biggest red flag is why he wouldn't just admit what really happened to Theron IMO. Even if he helped Garrosh for whatever reason, I'm sure Theron would protect him and deal with the hand they've been dealt; they're already preparing to move against Garrosh on the IoT. But evidently he's keeping it to himself, and chances are it won't end well for him.
What do we know about Aethas Sunreaver anyways? Maybe he's not even really a blood elf.
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What if Aethas knew what he was doing all along, and actually meant to achieve this outcome? What if he wanted Jaina to take Dalaran to the Alliance side, and purposefully implicated the Sunreavers in Garrosh's scheme in order to make that happen? And now he's clamming up about it in order to maintain the integrity of his gambit.
OMG 13:37 - Then Jesus said to His disciples, "Cleave unto me, and I shall grant to thee the blessing of eternal salvation."
And His disciples said unto Him, "Can we get Kings instead?"
well all things fear death
No matter how much bravado and courage they throw out, everyone fears death
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maybe thats why he always has that mask........
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But why would he do that?
Aethas, much to the annoyance of other Blood Elves, was always very proud and boastful of Silvermoon's ties and connection with Dalaran
We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"