Muscles = Consevative?

[Clevername]

I found this pretty amusing and while it rings true for myself and my coworkers, I thought I'd put it out there for the rest of the OT community to play with.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...cal-views.html

[Deleted]

As someone that actually goes to a gym, and have friends there of different sizes, I can say this isn't accurate.

[obdigore]

As someone that actually goes to a gym, and have friends there of different sizes, I can say this isn't accurate.

I would suggest that my personal experiences would say it is inaccurate as well, but I'd be interested to look at the study as well.

I'd also note that dailymail is generally met with the same amount of belief as theonion.com.

[Deleted]

Scientists from Aarhus University in Denmark collected data on bicep size, socio-economic status and support for economic redistribution from hundreds in America, Argentina and Denmark.

While hundreds is kinda vague, individual studies shouldn't really be taken seriously with such low samples.

But, if it does end up being the case, I kinda agree with this comment on their site as an explaination (Mostly because I can't really think of anything myself):

"This isn't surprising. Physical strength is a product of testosterone. Men with more testosterone tend to be more assertive and aggressive. These men also tend to succeed at what they set out to do, especially when competing with men who have less testosterone. Men who have lower levels of testosterone tend to have less physical strength. They also tend to be more meek and unassertive. They tend to succeed less often, especially when competing with a high testosterone man. It should come as no surprise that these factors affect a person's political and philosophical outlook. Winners like games in which winners are rewarded for winning. (Capitalism) Losers like games in which losers are rewarded for losing. (Socialism, and Welfare in particular)"
- LeeReynolds , Tempe AZ USA, 17/5/2013 08:35

[Bolson13]

These men also tend to succeed at what they set out to do, especially when competing with men who have less testosterone. Men who have lower levels of testosterone tend to have less physical strength. They also tend to be more meek and unassertive. They tend to succeed less often, especially when competing with a high testosterone man. It should come as no surprise that these factors affect a person's political and philosophical outlook. Winners like games in which winners are rewarded for winning. (Capitalism) Losers like games in which losers are rewarded for losing. (Socialism, and Welfare in particular)"
- LeeReynolds , Tempe AZ USA, 17/5/2013 08:35

Maybe he should check the forbes billionaires list. I don't think there is a single body builder on there. They spend their time on more productive things then lifting weights.

Seriously, in what are strong people generally more succesfull other then strenght tests? They don't get the girls easier compared to a good looking, athletic built man. They don't make more money then a man that works more hours because he is not in the gym, smart people tend not to body build, most athletes aren't particularly strong.



Damn rightwinger!!!! haha

[Deleted]

I could fathom the correlation between muscles and success (again testosterone->dominance->advancements in worklife), but between muscles and political affiliations? Poppycock.

Edit; and yea, don't take Daily Mail too seriously.

[Deleted]

The question is: Are they weak because they're leftist or are they leftist because they're weak?

[Frozenbeef]

Men with less upper body strength are more likely to support the welfare state - like Labour leader Ed Miliband

Yeh when i look at david cameron or anyone on the conservative party my first thought is they must work out at the gym often :S

[Elegiac]

Like I said before, why is it the only people that take the Daily Mail seriously are conservative Americans?

[Bolson13]

I think it is more because they have strong selfdedication into things and love to pursue far away goals.
Hense they will expect others to have the same (egocentric) mentality as well and where their choice in politics comes from. Sounds more logical to me.

[vizzle]

Maybe he should check the forbes billionaires list. I don't think there is a single body builder on there. They spend their time on more productive things then lifting weights.

Seriously, in what are strong people generally more succesfull other then strenght tests? They don't get the girls easier compared to a good looking, athletic built man. They don't make more money then a man that works more hours because he is not in the gym, smart people tend not to body build, most athletes aren't particularly strong.

Damn rightwinger!!!! haha

I highly doubt this is a wave, where the more muscle you have the more successful you are. There's a point -- someone works out or someone doesn't, and that "working out" includes athletic men, if they're exercising enough to be strong.

Not that I believe this study is completely accurate, but that's just the wrong way of looking at it (if you do believe the study) imo.

[Pull My Finger]

Winners like games in which winners are rewarded for winning. (Capitalism) Losers like games in which losers are rewarded for losing. (Socialism, and Welfare in particular)"

Hilarious dumbwittism.

[Hyve]

Makes sense. Weaker individuals will of course latch to a system that will ensure their survival. It is a primitive notion, but clearly still prevalent.

Having started martial training with a few Masters & Grand Masters, I can tell you though that strength isn't about being a massive hulking bulge of muscle. That muscle needs Oxygen, which means Blood. Their heart will be pumping much faster to compensate, and their movement is going to be much slower.

Combine those two things, raise their blood pressure enough, and with a few precise hits, they'll fall over easily.

[Deleted]

Ah; a Daily Mail study eh?

You'll all be delighted to know then the Daily Mail also published an article recently linked Right-Wing Conservatism with having a low IQ:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...eft-right.html

Take it as you will, but I'll be blunt, the Daily Mail is a complete rag of paper, and anything it claims should be taken with a pinch of salt.

[Hyve]

Take it as you will, but I'll be blunt, the Daily Mail is a complete rag of paper, and anything it claims should be taken with a pinch of salt.

It is important to keep this in mind. Daily Mail is notorious for blowing up their stories with fanatical and sensationalist titles and claims.

[vizzle]

Can we stop ragging on DM and actually discuss the topic?

Here: http://www.psychologicalscience.org/...-strength.html

[Austilias]

Interesting study which, whilst the conclusions of which may not hold true 100% of the time, could indicate a not unlikely trend/correlation; shame about the responses though. Daily Mail jokes are simply humour for the stupid, and any fool can make them; just as they could with George Bush IQ-related jokes.

[Bolson13]

I highly doubt this is a wave, where the more muscle you have the more successful you are. There's a point -- someone works out or someone doesn't, and that "working out" includes athletic men, if they're exercising enough to be strong.

Not that I believe this study is completely accurate, but that's just the wrong way of looking at it (if you do believe the study) imo.

Yes, that is why I believe men with a lot of drive to be succesfull, be it being the strong, the fast, the best tennis player etc. or more lifegoal orientated like the best career, most money etc. are more likely to vote right. Since they have this drive in their personality and expect others to have this too in stead of sit on their ass all day.

Hense why I think it is better to research what succesfull men/women (in whatever, something a bit relevant in life of course) tend to vote.

The research to me (I didn't read the whole paper, but the part the daily mail and the other link mention) sounds not to follow:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correla...mply_causation

[Deleted]

The question is: Are they weak because they're leftist or are they leftist because they're weak?

This was reported yesterday on BBC news (radio 2 I think) at around 18:00 BST, it stated that people with larger biceps tend to hold more extreme political views to the left AND right. They made no claims that more muscled people held particular politcal views to one side.

[Deleted]

Not true, Hitler didn't even lift