this is my result 3min single dps to training dummy (ilvl548)
no use any consumables, mushroom and NS
Inc+hotw :147,439
Inc+DoC : 152,209
FoN+hotw :150,439
FoN+DoC:160,779
Inc+NV:153,008
SotF+hotW:151,444
SotF+DoC:148,182
(SotF proc 3-5time/3min)
You do realise that NS will be baseline for resto only, right? And saying that you can pick whatever you want is simply not true for the people looking to min/max. If the encounter favours DoC, you'll pick DoC or shoot yourself in the foot and let your raid down (progress).
They changed that a while back. NS will be baseline for resto AND balance. WoWDB source: Nature's Swiftness
And he's saying if you don't want to cast HT, go HotW - in other words, if you cba to go the extra mile to increase your DPS, don't. But that's on you at that point.
Edit: changed link to WoWDB
"Such insolence... such arrogance... must be PUNISHED!"
DoC is only better if you can actually play with it. If you can't, you're better of with HotW. After a year of MoP, some people will be so stuck in their rotation that they couldn't change it if they wanted to.
It isn't as easy as looking up what talent is best for what encounter, they're close enough that your personal skill overrides that easily.
I've been through the last 15 pages of this thread. Can someone give some more insight on what stat weights will be most beneficial next patch? Ex: will we continue to go for 10289 haste break point.. then focus crit? Or has this completely changed with the changes Blizz is handing out. Honest questions: sorry if its been answered previously. Thanks for your time.
I'm amazed nobody has commented on this yet. You can't just do a 3 minute pull at a dummy and expect it to have any value. The fact that FoN + DoC came out on top exemplifies this. You're not getting accurate results or accounting for trinket, meta, crit RNG etc. by doing one, or even a few tests. At the very least, you would want to do dozens of attempts lasting several minutes, but this is why we have sims.
well 150 seems really really low for that item level as well even if he was just self buffed. Part of the reason we have sims, no? I think Hamlet is close to wrapping up the 5.4 talent changes in WC if you're interested in numbers that hold more water than a target dummy.
Well, we do need live tests to check those numbers, but i wouldn't exactly call dummies live tests.
Anyway, the error margin is probably big enough on those numbers that we can't tell if FoN+DoC is better than Inc+HotW
NS is Resto and Balance, it has been for ~ 2 months, jump on the PTR sometime, k? Also, yes. That's what I said. Good to see someone agreeing with me about playing optimally.
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Of course, but the point isn't to play for you, it's just a reminder in case you tunnel. I'd rather make a WA than a TMW for the more "reminder-bot" playstyle; I really hate TMW's "conditionals" GUI.
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Plus Incarnation is going to be stronger in shorter trials.
Where's the 50mil trials of Beta? (I guess 150mil would be better suited for this ilvl though)
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I'm not sure how DOC interacts with Treants, would you happen to know? (not an angry comment, just trying to fish for information). Are we just going off the bonus damage of DOC towards our DOTs and Nukes?
Basically, Cyous. DoC/Treants seem pretty counter-intuitive. I don't know if you could make some argument for a fight like lei shen with bursty aoe adds and mostly single target?? I doubt it, but only time will tell.
Idk what you mean by this comment? The talents have changed to make the numbers more in line with other choices in the same tier. Most of the choices have been the same all xpac iirc? Ysera's gift is the only change so far and why would you want stat priorities to change drastically mid expansion?
2 questions: How awake were you during those tests? I'm currently pulling far higher dps when just testing dummies with 5 item levels lower than yourself (on both live and ptr, closer to the 175k marging when having zero buffs).
Were you using T15 4piece talent with DoC, if so, are you aware that they're bugged atm and don't properly trigger together?
Treants and DoC aren't supposed to scale at all together, because treants do not scale with eclipse or mastery. Ergo, you dun goofed, mate.
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This is fixed, the last 2-3 days the damage + tooltip has been benefitting properly. My bonus with live gear (t15 4set) is 63% with DoC buff. I can't remember the specifics, but I've heard eclipse stuff is handled server side so idk if it would have even required a patch or hotfix.
SoTF was changed, but it's still not a good enough option compared to the others. The final tier is just more of the same, and very few will consider taking DoC with it's awkward rotation breaker. So we are pretty much in the same spot as before, and that is pretty boring when the patch has been much anticipated.
As for stats, personally I just like to see something fresh when a patch hits. We've been Haste / Crit the entire expansion, it's boring. It would of been nice to hit a point where our Mastery becomes better.
I guess it's just comes down to personal preference.