The Dark Below Removed from the European Trademark Database [updated]

[Immitis]

So you think the Skyfire just suddenly sprouted Gyrocopter landing pads and new cannons? That the Horde and Alliance navy got magically teleported near Pandaria and had a fight there for no good reason? That the whole Theramore fiasco happened in a single day?

Sorry, but your timeline just doesn't work.

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Citation needed.

you can go onto metzens twitter account. hes stated this multiple times. hes also stated this in interviews its common knowledge.

and no it doesnt make sense how quickly those things happen but wows lore is basically the same as a comic book.

how do those badguys in spider-man all of a sudden have those super weapons? how has 50 years passed but spider-man barely aged a day since his college years?

how do all those villains come up one after another to fight the avengers all the time?

in solo comics why doesnt spider-man ever call up the x-men and have them help him out?

it just does. you have to suspend your disbelief. wows lore is like a comic book not a serious novel

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The Dark Below can mean the undergrounds, and only that.


If they are so powerful that we need to close a portal or be overrun, we cannot go inside the portal and win, period.


Contradicting yourself? First you said that we should invade the said portal, then you said we should push then back and close it?
We did it in Sunwell, and it costed us alot to do so. Had we failed at that time, and the world would had been doomed.


Talk about never playing BC... Hyjal?


And why do you believe he knows about that? Or if he cares about that?
Neltharion was corrupted, why would not Wrathion be too? And why could he not be cocky enough to think they can control the Naga once they had taken Azeroth?
He showed his huge ego when he expected to use Varyan, and he said he would do ANYTHING to save the world, what other forces can he ally that have a real army at this point? He is desperate, alliance is not doing his work, horde was too destructive, either he look for an alliance with the "new lich king", or he side with the Nagas, other then that only minor races exists like quillboars.



Who said it would be "other guys"?
It could be Kil'Jaeden, but now fully on our realm to be defeated once and for all.
There is enough big characters of the Legion for us to take yet, and we don't need to take then all on one expansion, we can surely take some now, and the others when one day we finally face Sargeras, if we ever do that.

why would he not want to be corrupted? maybe because he hunted down every single member of his race still on azeroth instead of making them swear fealty to him after killing his father? maybe because when garrosh started using old god powers like the sha he turned his back on the horde and sided with the alliance?

im so sick of people like you who have no idea what an anti hero is.

wrathion is a GOOD GUY. he is NOT a villain. he is just an anti hero, willing to do the dirty work without morals. the old gods are WORSE than the legion.

the legion destroys a planet and moves on, the old gods are perpetual chaos

[Xsy]

I'm not sure why you guys even mention Sargeras and expansion in the same line. Sargeras is one of the strongest Titans, who are the strongest beings in the warcraft universe. His power is beyond any current comprehension. We will not have any chance against Sargeras without the help of other pantheon titans atleast. Also, considering Sargeras is the strongest bad guy in the wow universe, getting rid of him will pretty much mean the end of WoW, because any other bad guy Blizzard might conjure up after him , will pale in comparison. Sargeras will be left to the very last expansion, whenever Blizzard decide to go about doing that. ( Hint: Not the next, and most likely not even the one after the next one ).

My prediction:
Next expansion: Big bad guy - Nzoth: Thought to be Azshara at first, later revealed that its Nzoth.
After that: Burning Legion Invaison: Big bad guy: Kil'jaiden, we stop the invasion.
After that: Filler Expansion: Perhaps the remaining old god as the big bad.
After that: Titan Expansion: We seek help to destory the burning legion once and for all, in this expansion we perform tasks for the titans so they can determine whether we are worthy for their help. Perhaps tasks are done on other planets.
After that: The invasion of Argus, with the help of the titans we venture into argus and eliminate most of their forces. At this point if blizzard decided to continue on, they can have Sargeras escape and us chase him on another expansion, or just finish the deal here by killing/subduing Sargeras.

[Hitei]

wrathion is a GOOD GUY. he is NOT a villain. he is just an anti hero, willing to do the dirty work without morals. the old gods are WORSE than the legion.

the legion destroys a planet and moves on, the old gods are perpetual chaos

I wouldn't go that far.
Chaos is chaos, it isn't inherently evil.

Remember that if it weren't for the chaotic actions of the Old Gods and their war against Titan Order... Humans, gnomes, dwarves, mogu, and Tol'vir would all be slaves to the will of the Titans.

Really, I'd say the Legion is much worse, being an ordered systemic destructive force, similar to the titans.

[Kaleredar]

The Dark Below can mean the undergrounds, and only that.

Ozumat, the FIEND OF THE DARK BELOW is a giant, underwater swimming Kraken. And Things are very dark at the bottom of the ocean.

If they are so powerful that we need to close a portal or be overrun, we cannot go inside the portal and win, period.

Have you met "us?" We freakin' charged into the Lich King's citadel... and won. We raided the prisons of Old Gods... and won. We are the HEROES of Azeroth. Anything we run into... we win.

Contradicting yourself? First you said that we should invade the said portal, then you said we should push then back and close it?

*pre-expansion event*
1)Legion invades
2) Oh noez! We need to push them back to where they're invading from.
3) Huzzah! We banded together and did so! But the portal is still open!
4) We'd best push inside the portal to end their threat... because if we don't... they're just going to keep freakin' attacking from the portal.
*Queue expansion*
5) Lots of awesome fighting and raiding Argus
6) We defeated Kil'jaeden and dismantled the Legion's presence! The portal's powers are waning!
7) END OF EXPANSION

We did it in Sunwell, and it costed us alot to do so. Had we failed at that time, and the world would had been doomed.

...had we failed to stop any of the bad stuff in the final patches from happening, the world would have been doomed. That's just kind of how it goes.

Talk about never playing BC... Hyjal?

I edited my post to account for both Hyjal AND Dragon Soul... In the first case, Hyjal was a shameless loregasm plugged in for that reason and that reason alone. In the case of Dragon Soul... yeah, Blizzard didn't get too great of feedback about that, now did they?

And why do you believe he knows about that? Or if he cares about that?

Everyone knows the Naga are the Old God's minions... did you happen to play through Vashj'ir?

And Wrathion "not caring about the old gods?" Did you do any of the Rogue Legendary quest chain? He bloody hates them. The Old Gods tried to kill him, remember?

Neltharion was corrupted, why would not Wrathion be too?

Because Wrathion KNOWS what they are, and that they're evil.

And why could he not be cocky enough to think they can control the Naga once they had taken Azeroth?

Because he isn't an idiot.

He showed his huge ego when he expected to use Varyan, and he said he would do ANYTHING to save the world, what other forces can he ally that have a real army at this point? He is desperate, alliance is not doing his work, horde was too destructive, either he look for an alliance with the "new lich king", or he side with the Nagas, other then that only minor races exists like quillboars.

The old gods don't want to "save Azeroth," I think End Time was painfully clear of that.

Who said it would be "other guys"?
It could be Kil'Jaeden, but now fully on our realm to be defeated once and for all.

Why the hell would they cram that in WITH Azshara AND N'zoth?

There is enough big characters of the Legion for us to take yet, and we don't need to take then all on one expansion, we can surely take some now, and the others when one day we finally face Sargeras, if we ever do that.

Yeah, but we also don't need to weirdly smear them around in expansions they don't belong in, as you seem to propose.


WoW expansions go like this:

1) Something big happens (The Shattering, Arthas' invasion, Demons from the Dark portal, discovering Pandaria.) A single big bad presents himself. (Or blizzard tells us, with the case of Garrosh)
2) We move in to do stuff there (Dismantle Deathwing's forces, push into Northrend, push into Outland, begin settling Pandaria)
3) We fight bad guys that are related to any of the main story points established, generally following similar story arcs (Fighting Deathwing's Lieutenants, Fighting the Lich King, dismantling Illidan and fighting the Burning Legion, killing the Sha and related forces)
4) Intermittently, we might fight threats that are also in those regions, but aren't as immidiately dire or well-established (Lei'shen, Yogg-Saron)
5) We then fight the big bad guy

The ONLY exception to this was Illidan not being built up well and being in the first raid patch, which Blizzard has SAID they regret.

You're proposing:

1) Bad stuff happens (N'zoth and Azshara related)
2) We go to fight them
3) Wrathion randomly flips his shit somewhere in there
4) We defeat N'zoth and Azshara's forces, everything is looking cool and...
5) Just kidding, Legion invades!
6) Legion is repelled without anything else happening.
7) END EXPANSION

N'zoth, and Azshara for that matter, are much too powerful to be sidelined as little "interim" bosses. They don't serve the Burning Legion, nor are they casually related to them being the "final bad guys" of the expansion.

[satanicway]

you can go onto metzens twitter account. hes stated this multiple times. hes also stated this in interviews its common knowledge.

and no it doesnt make sense how quickly those things happen but wows lore is basically the same as a comic book.

how do those badguys in spider-man all of a sudden have those super weapons? how has 50 years passed but spider-man barely aged a day since his college years?

how do all those villains come up one after another to fight the avengers all the time?

in solo comics why doesnt spider-man ever call up the x-men and have them help him out?

it just does. you have to suspend your disbelief. wows lore is like a comic book not a serious novel

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why would he not want to be corrupted? maybe because he hunted down every single member of his race still on azeroth instead of making them swear fealty to him after killing his father? maybe because when garrosh started using old god powers like the sha he turned his back on the horde and sided with the alliance?

im so sick of people like you who have no idea what an anti hero is.

wrathion is a GOOD GUY. he is NOT a villain. he is just an anti hero, willing to do the dirty work without morals. the old gods are WORSE than the legion.

the legion destroys a planet and moves on, the old gods are perpetual chaos

It seems you failed to hear all his sound files.
He was really mad that Varyan chose to let the horde go on their own path.

He talked about taking Thunder bluff, with just "a yr or so o fighting and some causalities..."
He says that he changed side because Garrosh TURNED THE HORDE against him, not because he was using the Heart of Yrrsahj, he never says anything about the Heart that im aware off, this is your false conclusions.

He says that HE SHOULD HAVE GET THE THRONE HIMSELF LIKE HIS AUNTI ONYXIA!
He says that as if she was completely right in doing so.

And in the end he screams that he will let nothing in his way, that he will let NOTHING to chance.

Yes, sorry to break it for you, i also liked a lot his anti-hero posture from early MOP, but it seems blizzard is turning him into another villian. =/
That words were not the ones of someone that wanted to do good, but in a Machiavellian way, or utilitarian way, but of one that will do ANYTHING, to win, just like his Father...

[Immitis]

I'm not sure why you guys even mention Sargeras and expansion in the same line. Sargeras is one of the strongest Titans, who are the strongest beings in the warcraft universe. His power is beyond any current comprehension. We will not have any chance against Sargeras without the help of other pantheon titans atleast. Also, considering Sargeras is the strongest bad guy in the wow universe, getting rid of him will pretty much mean the end of WoW, because any other bad guy Blizzard might conjure up after him , will pale in comparison. Sargeras will be left to the very last expansion, whenever Blizzard decide to go about doing that. ( Hint: Not the next, and most likely not even the one after the next one ).

My prediction:
Next expansion: Big bad guy - Nzoth: Thought to be Azshara at first, later revealed that its Nzoth.
After that: Burning Legion Invaison: Big bad guy: Kil'jaiden, we stop the invasion.
After that: Filler Expansion: Perhaps the remaining old god as the big bad.
After that: Titan Expansion: We seek help to destory the burning legion once and for all, in this expansion we perform tasks for the titans so they can determine whether we are worthy for their help. Perhaps tasks are done on other planets.
After that: The invasion of Argus, with the help of the titans we venture into argus and eliminate most of their forces. At this point if blizzard decided to continue on, they can have Sargeras escape and us chase him on another expansion, or just finish the deal here by killing/subduing Sargeras.

id rather it be like this

next expansion - south seas with azshara, zandalri, and pirates, and the tomb of sargeras with some demons
after that - nathrezim homeworld,
after that we come back to azeroth and fight whatevers under tirisfal, we kill sylvanas, and we also kill nzoth at some point in a middle patch. find out whatevers under tirisfal has been causing sylvanas to go insane slowly

after that go to the planet of the succubi and incubi

after that go to an old god planet and find out all the titans are dead.

after that go to the planet of the annihalan. find out kil'jaedan has started a civil war within the burning legion against sargeras

after that go to a new planet meet the people there start forming army of light

after that go to ethereal home world save their planet from the void lords

after that another new planet which starts introducing new bad guys and other factions of demons within the nether not affiliated with either sides of the legion

after that have sargeras try to destroy us but have him get eaten by something else

after that return to azeroth and recruit the dragons.

after that fight the naaru

after that go to argus kill kil'jaedan

after that fight more space old gods and find out whos the new demon in charge of the legion who replaced kj

after that keep fighting the new bad guys.

rinse and repeat till all the moniez is gone

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naaru is god of draenei, i doubt he is gonna be villain

[Immitis]

It seems you failed to hear all his sound files.
He was really mad that Varyan chose to let the horde go on their own path.

He talked about taking Thunder bluff, with just "a yr or so o fighting and some causalities..."
He says that he changed side because Garrosh TURNED THE HORDE against him, not because he was using the Heart of Yrrsahj, he never says anything about the Heart that im aware off, this is your false conclusions.

He says that HE SHOULD HAVE GET THE THRONE HIMSELF LIKE HIS AUNTI ONYXIA!
He says that as if she was completely right in doing so.

And in the end he screams that he will let nothing in his way, that he will let NOTHING to chance.

Yes, sorry to break it for you, i also liked a lot his anti-hero posture from early MOP, but it seems blizzard is turning him into another villian. =/
That words were not the ones of someone that wanted to do good, but in a Machiavellian way, or utilitarian way, but of one that will do ANYTHING, to win, just like his Father...

part of the reason he turned his back on garrosh was the use of old god powers. they were corrupting his armies and making them useless. which is WHY his people turned on him.

and no thats NOT them turning into a villain. you are forgetting the fact that wrathions plan WORKED this is something tons of people seem to just gloss over.

his plan was to end the war asap to prevent as many causalities as possible by siding with the strongest side. that STILL happened. he just assumed that AFTER his plan was over that varian would force the horde to join the alliance.

the line about him being able to do things better himself and aunty onyxia is a joke. onyxia isnt even his aunt shes his sister. how many times do characters say "shouldve just done it myself"

and yeah he will leave nothing to chance. which is why in his next plan he might actually do some of the work instead of having his right hand man US THE HEROES, his personal champion, doing all the work.

wrathions will only be a year old in the dark below (like 4 in dragon years)

he just needs to grow up a bit more and figure out how to unite the world, he is NOT a villain. he will stand at nothing to protect azeroth from corruption and destruction

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naaru is god of draenei, i doubt he is gonna be villain

they invade your mind and force you to become complacent and when they start to die they become void creatures that devour peoples souls.

i dont care what those blue demons or wind chimes say. theres something off about them

[satanicway]

Ozumat, the FIEND OF THE DARK BELOW is a giant, underwater swimming Kraken. And Things are very dark at the bottom of the ocean.

Have you met "us?" We freakin' charged into the Lich King's citadel... and won. We raided the prisons of Old Gods... and won. We are the HEROES of Azeroth. Anything we run into... we win.

*pre-expansion event*
1)Legion invades
2) Oh noez! We need to push them back to where they're invading from.
3) Huzzah! We banded together and did so! But the portal is still open!
4) We'd best push inside the portal to end their threat... because if we don't... they're just going to keep freakin' attacking from the portal.
*Queue expansion*
5) Lots of awesome fighting and raiding Argus
6) We defeated Kil'jaeden and dismantled the Legion's presence! The portal's powers are waning!
7) END OF EXPANSION

...had we failed to stop any of the bad stuff in the final patches from happening, the world would have been doomed. That's just kind of how it goes.


I edited my post to account for both Hyjal AND Dragon Soul... In the first case, Hyjal was a shameless loregasm plugged in for that reason and that reason alone. In the case of Dragon Soul... yeah, Blizzard didn't get too great of feedback about that, now did they?



Everyone knows the Naga are the Old God's minions... did you happen to play through Vashj'ir?

And Wrathion "not caring about the old gods?" Did you do any of the Rogue Legendary quest chain? He bloody hates them. The Old Gods tried to kill him, remember?


Because Wrathion KNOWS what they are, and that they're evil.



Because he isn't an idiot.



The old gods don't want to "save Azeroth," I think End Time was painfully clear of that.


Why the hell would they cram that in WITH Azshara AND N'zoth?



Yeah, but we also don't need to weirdly smear them around in expansions they don't belong in, as you seem to propose.


WoW expansions go like this:

1) Something big happens (The Shattering, Arthas' invasion, Demons from the Dark portal, discovering Pandaria.) A single big bad presents himself. (Or blizzard tells us, with the case of Garrosh)
2) We move in to do stuff there (Dismantle Deathwing's forces, push into Northrend, push into Outland, begin settling Pandaria)
3) We fight bad guys that are related to any of the main story points established, generally following similar story arcs (Fighting Deathwing's Lieutenants, Fighting the Lich King, dismantling Illidan and fighting the Burning Legion, killing the Sha and related forces)
4) Intermittently, we might fight threats that are also in those regions, but aren't as immidiately dire or well-established (Lei'shen, Yogg-Saron)
5) We then fight the big bad guy

The ONLY exception to this was Illidan not being built up well and being in the first raid patch, which Blizzard has SAID they regret.

You're proposing:

1) Bad stuff happens (N'zoth and Azshara related)
2) We go to fight them
3) Wrathion randomly flips his shit somewhere in there
4) We defeat N'zoth and Azshara's forces, everything is looking cool and...
5) Just kidding, Legion invades!
6) Legion is repelled without anything else happening.
7) END EXPANSION

N'zoth, and Azshara for that matter, are much too powerful to be sidelined as little "interim" bosses. They don't serve the Burning Legion, nor are they casually related to them being the "final bad guys" of the expansion.

Sorry but you made no sense. We cannot simple charge in anything because we know we are heroes outside of the story, this is a pathetic way of trying to win an argument you are losing.

Wrathion hates the Old gods the same way Garrosh was an honorable leader, things changes pretty fast in Azeroth, and madness may have gotten the better of the all mighty black whelp, or so it appears on his sound files.

And no, you made a really bad try to show in the worse way possible what i proposed:

6.0 -> Nagas are attacking the surface from the underground, some areas on the underground are infested by servs of N'zoth, but he is nowhere to be found yet -> Comes entry raids / dungeons
6.1 -> We discover about Wrathion being behind the Nagas attack, we try to foil his plans on some new scenarios and quest regions
6.2 -> N'zoth power is growing free, and we must turn our attentions to that, and let wrathion escape
6.3 -> The Burning legion invades parts of the underground, we fight to defend against it in scenarios, and quest regions
6.4 -> We force a counter attack to destroy the portal that is enabling the Burning Legion to appear, probably killing some major burning legion character as the final boss of the expansion, like Kil'jaeden.
6.5 -> Pre-path of next expansion, obviously cant really guess anything about that.

[Immitis]

Sorry but you made no sense. We cannot simple charge in anything because we know we are heroes outside of the story, this is a pathetic way of trying to win an argument you are losing.

Wrathion hates the Old gods the same way Garrosh was an honorable leader, things changes pretty fast in Azeroth, and madness may have gotten the better of the all mighty black whelp, or so it appears on his sound files.

And no, you made a really bad try to show in the worse way possible what i proposed:

6.0 -> Nagas are attacking the surface from the underground, some areas on the underground are infested by servs of N'zoth, but he is nowhere to be found yet -> Comes entry raids / dungeons
6.1 -> We discover about Wrathion being behind the Nagas attack, we try to foil his plans on some new scenarios and quest regions
6.2 -> N'zoth power is growing free, and we must turn our attentions to that, and let wrathion escape
6.3 -> The Burning legion invades parts of the underground, we fight to defend against it in scenarios, and quest regions
6.4 -> We force a counter attack to destroy the portal that is enabling the Burning Legion to appear, probably killing some major burning legion character as the final boss of the expansion, like Kil'jaeden.
6.5 -> Pre-path of next expansion, obviously cant really guess anything about that.

yeah someone who fought tooth and nail to be free of old god corruption is just going to let them snuggle up next to him and set up shop.

why would wrathion side with the old gods over the alliance when he has put the full force of his power behind them?

[satanicway]

part of the reason he turned his back on garrosh was the use of old god powers. they were corrupting his armies and making them useless. which is WHY his people turned on him.

and no thats NOT them turning into a villain. you are forgetting the fact that wrathions plan WORKED this is something tons of people seem to just gloss over.

his plan was to end the war asap to prevent as many causalities as possible by siding with the strongest side. that STILL happened. he just assumed that AFTER his plan was over that varian would force the horde to join the alliance.

the line about him being able to do things better himself and aunty onyxia is a joke. onyxia isnt even his aunt shes his sister. how many times do characters say "shouldve just done it myself"

and yeah he will leave nothing to chance. which is why in his next plan he might actually do some of the work instead of having his right hand man US THE HEROES, his personal champion, doing all the work.

wrathions will only be a year old in the dark below (like 4 in dragon years)

he just needs to grow up a bit more and figure out how to unite the world, he is NOT a villain. he will stand at nothing to protect azeroth from corruption and destruction

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they invade your mind and force you to become complacent and when they start to die they become void creatures that devour peoples souls.

i dont care what those blue demons or wind chimes say. theres something off about them

Fanboy detected...
If you are a fan, i will not even argue with you anymore.

He wasn't joking, he was mad, screaming at people, cursing.

You can think whatever you want, but it's pretty clear that he is going away from being an anti-hero.
You keep putting words to Wrathions mouth, and saying things that are not in the game, without any base, outside of you just being biased towards him.

He said only that Garrosh turned the horde into himself, and because of this another conflict erupted, and then he changed sides, if he was so worried about the old gods, and Yrrshaj do you think he would just forget to talk about it?
Seriously... give up, all your arguments doesn't stand.

[freighttrain]

Wrong, more yrs passed, and they already retconned Anduin age, because it was off by many yrs because of that, go read the lore please.

There is no magic formula for how much time has passed in WoW. Expansions do not equal 1 in game year every time. However piecing together some events from books and such roughly a year or slightly more has passed from Vanilla to TBC, and the same from TBC to WotLK. It is closer to two years from WotLK to Cata and less than a year from the start of Cata to MoP. I has only been 5-6 years. Blizzard has already said they write Anduin like he is 17 but in reality is is younger.

[satanicway]

yeah someone who fought tooth and nail to be free of old god corruption is just going to let them snuggle up next to him and set up shop.

why would wrathion side with the old gods over the alliance when he has put the full force of his power behind them?

Because he said that Varyan was a fool? And that he would find another way to unify the world, into HIS banner?

[Immitis]

also look at how much backlash there was when people though garrosh was corrupted by the old gods in siege?

no way in hell there one and only antihero since they ruined illidan and kael'thas (which they have admitted was a mistake and they wouldve changed had they did it again) and not only get rid of their ONLY proper antihero but do so in a "oldgodsdundidit" plot?

blizzard arent idiots. they cant pull that damn card on every evil character they learned that in mists which is why garrosh is free from any corruption and why ya'shaarj is completelty dead

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Fanboy detected...
If you are a fan, i will not even argue with you anymore.

He wasn't joking, he was mad, screaming at people, cursing.

You can think whatever you want, but it's pretty clear that he is going away from being an anti-hero.
You keep putting words to Wrathions mouth, and saying things that are not in the game, without any base, outside of you just being biased towards him.

He said only that Garrosh turned the horde into himself, and because of this another conflict erupted, and then he changed sides, if he was so worried about the old gods, and Yrrshaj do you think he would just forget to talk about it?
Seriously... give up, all your arguments doesn't stand.

so when batman flips his shit on superman when superman makes a moral highground decision batman is a badguy now? also as i said the REASON garroshs armies turned on him is BECAUSE of the old god corruption. wrathion has dspent every waking moment of his life resisting old god corruption since he was in an egg HE KILLED EVERY SINGLE MEMBER THAT HE KNEW OF WITHIN HIS OWN SPECIES.

when someone goes THAT far to do something they dont just turn around and go right back.

[Kaleredar]

Sorry but you made no sense. We cannot simple charge in anything because we know we are heroes outside of the story, this is a pathetic way of trying to win an argument you are losing.

We charged into Outland, we charged into Northrend, we charged into Pandaria, we charged into all of the various bad places in Cataclysm

How about you tell me ONE PLACE we didn't charge into at the start of an expansion?

Wrathion hates the Old gods the same way Garrosh was an honorable leader, things changes pretty fast in Azeroth, and madness may have gotten the better of the all mighty black whelp, or so it appears on his sound files.

That would be the single worst turn around in WoW character history. That's tantamount to Sylvanas gleefully running back to embrace Arthas after ALL of the crap that went down between them.

6.1 -> We discover about Wrathion being behind the Nagas attack,we try to foil his plans on some new scenarios and quest regions

Not going to happen.

6.2 -> N'zoth power is growing free, and we must turn our attentions to that, and let wrathion escape

N'zoth is vastly more powerful and a greater threat than some cursory invading force of the Burning Legion. Anything less than making him a final expansion boss is... well, pretty crappy.

He isn't some joe-shmoe. He's the guy that corrupted Deathwing and created the Naga. He's not a "filler boss." Yogg-saron was demoted into "filler boss" status because he was lore-present in Northrend and the Lich King was ALREADY the big bad of "Wrath of the Lich King."

6.3 -> The Burning legion invades parts of the underground, we fight to defend against it in scenarios, and quest regions

So at this point the entire expansion pack does a completely unrelated 180?

"Remember how this expansion was about N'zoth and Azshara? Just kidding!"

6.4 -> We force a counter attack to destroy the portal that is enabling the Burning Legion to appear, probably killing some major burning legion character as the final boss of the expansion, like Kil'jaeden.

Kil'Jaeden can't just waltz onto Azeroth. Why would he be of some "major threat" in some pointless cavern under the ground? We fought him in the sunwell, a place steeped in Warcraft Lore and sent him riling back to the twisting Nether. Now he's just randomly appeared in some cave and we're fighting him there?


You're basically mashing TWO expansions, in which we fight TWO major lore characters for the beginning half of the expansion and then deal with some Burning Legion that randomly invaded some caves.

It seems like I summed up what you were saying pretty well.


I expect the expansion to go like this:

1) Azshara and N'zoth start rearing their ugly heads. Naga invasions, weird tidal stuff... whatever.
2) We go down to Nazjatar and fight our way through to the Old God's city beneath the Maelstrom. Leveling zones, dungeons, scenarios, and a few raids
3) Deal with some big forces of the Old Gods/Naga in the mid tier raids. Probably free Neptulon somewhere in there. Maybe even a cursory raid in Azjol'Nerub if the devs are feeling creative. MAYBE even fight a tangentially related raid on Zandalar.
4) Time to deal with Azshara and N'zoth. Gotta fight our way into Azshara's Palace/Nyolatha and take them both down
5) hooray!
6) EXPANSION OVER.

Toss in some Racial leader drama and stuff like that and there you go, there's your expansion.

[Immitis]

Because he said that Varyan was a fool? And that he would find another way to unify the world, into HIS banner?

like i said. when batman calls superman a fool does that make batman the joker?

NO it just means batman is an anti hero. batman doesnt care about taking the moral highground like superman.

hell sky admiral rodgers said the same damn thing. genn greymane the leader of the worgen said the same damn thing in warcraft when the humans wouldnt destory the orcs.

are they badguys? no. hes LESS THAN ONE YEAR OLD.

kids throw hissy fits ALL THE TIME. hell ADULTS throw hissy fits ALL THE TIME.

when someone loses his job the say all kinds of things, break things, flip out say things like they are gonna kill their boss, they swear they are gonna mess up his house blah blah blah.

after they calm down how many people actually do that?

[satanicway]

also look at how much backlash there was when people though garrosh was corrupted by the old gods in siege?

no way in hell there one and only antihero since they ruined illidan and kael'thas (which they have admitted was a mistake and they wouldve changed had they did it again) and not only get rid of their ONLY proper antihero but do so in a "oldgodsdundidit" plot?

blizzard arent idiots. they cant pull that damn card on every evil character they learned that in mists which is why garrosh is free from any corruption and why ya'shaarj is completelty dead

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so when batman flips his shit on superman when superman makes a moral highground decision batman is a badguy now? also as i said the REASON garroshs armies turned on him is BECAUSE of the old god corruption. wrathion has dspent every waking moment of his life resisting old god corruption since he was in an egg HE KILLED EVERY SINGLE MEMBER THAT HE KNEW OF WITHIN HIS OWN SPECIES.

when someone goes THAT far to do something they dont just turn around and go right back.

Wait and see fanboy.

Batman would not kill innocent people to reach his goal.
Wolverine would not kill innoscent people to reach his goal.

HELL, even PUNISHER would not act like that.

One thing is killing all evildoers, killing all corrupted dragons, using wits and manipulation to try to bring peace, another is to cause just "some casualities in thunder bluff with 1 yr or so of war". Another is agreeing with Onyxia, and saying that he should have taken the alliance throne by himself...
Sorry but he is no more an anti-hero, and is now going toward a villian if blizzard doesn't change their mind, and that might happen if people cry enough.

[Immitis]

Wait and see fanboy.

Batman would not kill innocent people to reach his goal.
Wolverine would not kill innoscent people to reach his goal.

HELL, even PUNISHER would not act like that.

One thing is killing all evildoers, killing all corrupted dragons, using wits and manipulation to try to bring peace, another is to cause just "some casualities in thunder bluff with 1 yr or so of war". Another is agreeing with Onyxia, and saying that he should have taken the alliance throne by himself...
Sorry but he is no more an anti-hero, and is now going toward a villian if blizzard doesn't change their mind, and that might happen if people cry enough.

the punisher would not do that? you mean the shoot first ask questions later punisher?

and no you clearly have no idea what war is like.

batman or wolverine WOULD kill people to achieve their goal IF they knew that doing so would save millions more lives.

they dont like to but they have on occasions where it was the only choice.

1 year of war compared to the endless torture of the old gods or the complete annihilation by the burning legion is a good thing.

if someone had to sacrifice one country to save the planet then someones going to sacrifice that country.

and again the whole "shouldve done it myself" line is used by characters ALL THE TIME in fiction its probably even a trope its used so much.

doing something for the greater good IS good.

thats why its called GREATER GOOD. because sometimes its actually good to do one evil thing if it ends out better in the end

[huth]

Wait and see fanboy.

Batman would not kill innocent people to reach his goal.

You might as well drop the "innocent" for Batsy.

[Teriz]

Very interested to see an undersea expansion. I just hope I'm not swimming in too much of it.