The Parish Exemption, unconstitutional. O_O

[NYC17]

Wells, someone could bring a literal mountain of evidence against your political views, I mean literally, truck by truck, dump evidence on your doorstep the size of Mount Fuji, and it wouldn't move your view one iota. You're way out there. I get it. You will just keep asserting. You should just avoid these threads.

Theoretically speaking, someone could. However you haven't, and the fact you think some fictional person could, doesn't excuse you from the burden of doing so. If you want to be taken seriously, that is.

[Endus]

Wells, someone could bring a literal mountain of evidence against your political views, I mean literally, truck by truck, dump evidence on your doorstep the size of Mount Fuji, and it wouldn't move your view one iota. You're way out there. I get it. You will just keep asserting. You should just avoid these threads.

This, from someone who has posted the likes of this, in the past;

There is no global warming crisis.

Despite, in that particular case, a literal mountain of evidence against your views.

I would suggest you seem to be projecting your own predilections on others.

Yes, I know you had justifications in that thread, about the potential rise of solar power, but the point remains; you are personally guilty of what you are claiming others are guilty of. Demonstrably so. While not providing the evidence that those others are similarly guilty. Which is why it boils down to projection; if you'll freely do it, you assume others would, too.

[Wells]

Let's not forget also creating a thread complaining about people asserting things with no evidence.

[Angella]

I'd be for removing religious tax exemption if and only if we remove the tax exemption for non-profits generally. I understand why we have the exemptions (to encourage nonprofits/religious institutions) but I'd opt for removing it only if the rule were kept consistent.

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^ Prob the only way it could be done politically since nonprofits tend to back Dems and religious institutions tend to back Reps.

[artemishunter1]

cuz bible and god and shit. How dare you question the divine ?!

Because of separation between church and state. State does not tax church, and in return we don't get Church of X supports canidate Y, Vote for Y telling the congregation or influencing the senators themselves.

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So should the state subsidize them saying gay people are immoral and go to hell?

yes. Cause thats protected under Freedom of Speech. You being hateful bigot does not exclude you from tax cuts.

[Angella]

Cause thats protected under Freedom of Speech. You being hateful bigot does not exclude you from tax cuts.

Actually it falls under equal protections but hey w/e.

[artemishunter1]

When you're in the habit of creating your own reality, it's all the evidence you ever need.

No. The reality is created through the media. Since many people don't actually hang out with Atheists, and most atheists don't exactly advertise themselves as Atheists, you are only exposed to radical atheists on the internet and the media. Another reason being, over this century, most religious members have taken live and let live stance, but media exposes atheists only doing selfish things.

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No its not. Its a belief. Sometimes they help the poor.

Not only that. Religious people are only ones to actually stupid enough to help people in dangerous places. Think about this, You all donate money for charity, who do you think actually works at ground level in places like Somalia? Volatile places? Salvation Army example, used to fight Drug dealers with AK 47, in South America. Believe it or not, religious members often work with people that society abondons, the leapers, the prostitutes, the homeless, and even criminals. Churches in Brooklyn for example, also keep the young teens busy, so they don't end up in gangs.

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about time, religious organisations should pay tax like everyone else, this isn't medieval England

also why don't people use different fonts?, basically the first time I've seen someone actually use a diff font :P

See separation between church and state. The moment you tax churches, you must then give voice to those churches like corporations. No taxtation without representation.

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See, being an athiest is arguably as silly as believing in a god, end of the day we don't know either way. I literally don't give a shit.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Not only that. Religious people are only ones to actually stupid enough to help people in dangerous places. Think about this, You all donate money for charity, who do you think actually works at ground level in places like Somalia? Volatile places? Salvation Army example, used to fight Drug dealers with AK 47, in South America. Believe it or not, religious members often work with people that society abondons, the leapers, the prostitutes, the homeless, and even criminals. Churches in Brooklyn for example, also keep the young teens busy, so they don't end up in gangs.

I don't think anyone ever said that religions don't help people or don't put themselves in these positions. By all means, every cent that goes towards charitable work should remain tax free. It's when pastors live like small business owners off of church tithe and don't even pay taxes on their property that calls for some change.

[Chrysia]

Not only that. Religious people are only ones to actually stupid enough to help people in dangerous places. Think about this, You all donate money for charity, who do you think actually works at ground level in places like Somalia? Volatile places? Salvation Army example, used to fight Drug dealers with AK 47, in South America. Believe it or not, religious members often work with people that society abondons, the leapers, the prostitutes, the homeless, and even criminals. Churches in Brooklyn for example, also keep the young teens busy, so they don't end up in gangs.

And I have an atheist friend that travels the world teaching people in Croatia, Georgia, Indonesia, and other areas where recent upheaval has screwed up the existing infrastructure. Helping the needy isn't the sole domain of the religious.

[artemishunter1]

Sure, but they cant actually be represented in congress beyond a lobbying standpoint, as that "taxation without representation" was applied to individuals. Are U.S citizens being represented? yes.

Well, right now, churches can't lobby even. Churches also for example, can not donate their general fund to elect political leaders. Members can donate whatever they want separately sure, but church as a whole organization can't back particular canidate with its money. If you are confused, I meant Church and Its members are two separate entities.

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And I have an atheist friend that travels the world teaching people in Croatia, Georgia, Indonesia, and other areas where recent upheaval has screwed up the existing infrastructure. Helping the needy isn't the sole domain of the religious.

It is the domain of the stupid. Your atheist friend is an outlyer. You tell me who in the right mind would go to such places, when you could just donate the money and forget about it. Don't tell me this is not true for the general population of any nation.

[Deleted]

It is the domain of the stupid. Your atheist friend is an outlyer. You tell me who in the right mind would go to such places, when you could just donate the money and forget about it. Don't tell me this is not true for the general population of any nation.

The fact that you consider helping people to be stupidity paints your character wonderfully.

[Kraenen]

The fact that you consider helping people to be stupidity paints your character wonderfully.

painted by your imagination and nothing else.

[Deleted]

painted by your imagination and nothing else.

Probably, morals are relative after all.

[NYC17]

No. The reality is created through the media. Since many people don't actually hang out with Atheists, and most atheists don't exactly advertise themselves as Atheists, you are only exposed to radical atheists on the internet and the media. Another reason being, over this century, most religious members have taken live and let live stance, but media exposes atheists only doing selfish things.

Ah, and we're back to "the media" as the source of all problems...

Sigh.

[Wells]

Because of separation between church and state. State does not tax church, and in return we don't get Church of X supports canidate Y, Vote for Y telling the congregation or influencing the senators themselves.

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yes. Cause thats protected under Freedom of Speech. You being hateful bigot does not exclude you from tax cuts.

There's nothing hateful or bigoted about questioning tax policy.

[Kraenen]

Probably, morals are relative after all.

no i mean the character you painted on him wasn't based on what he actually said

[Wells]

Because of separation between church and state. State does not tax church, and in return we don't get Church of X supports canidate Y, Vote for Y telling the congregation or influencing the senators themselves.

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yes. Cause thats protected under Freedom of Speech. You being hateful bigot does not exclude you from tax cuts.

There's nothing hateful or bigoted about questioning tax policy.

[Sunseeker]

See separation between church and state. The moment you tax churches, you must then give voice to those churches like corporations. No taxtation without representation.

Citizens United already applies to church organizations. If you are somehow braindead enough to think churches in America aren't being represented in politics, well I just can't imagine what to say.

[Powerogue]

Isn't it that they don't tax the church? I don't see why they would have an exemption for something that's not owned by the church itself, but by the religious minister. It's not like just because I go to church and own a house, I get tax free status on my house.

Am I interpreting this right?