Will we finally get transmoggable racial specific armor and weapons?

[kennytheone]

So what's the orcs racial armor ? Because im pretty sure for example shadow councill warlock don't goin to wear blademaster cloth or frostwolves shaman gear etc..

Well they can put some robe that blademasters have now in soo...and for chest some big leather straps ...remember these are archeological armors so they should look more primitive

[Yig]

I suppose for races which were never 'on' Draenor, Goblins (?) and Pandaren, it might prove more of a problem lorewise but it'd be cool

This is more about revamped starting zone rewards and starting zone vendors than Draenor.

I'd like to see it but holding my breath is not something Im ever going to do.

Just a little hope,... for the children?

I'd love to see them, just don't think we will any time soon. Their art team is their most taxed team this expansion and seems to already be spread pretty thin. I can't imagine that racial specific armor is really anywhere even remotely close to the top of the list.

Yet it's on their list. And has been a while, so it's closer to happening one could infer plausibly than not happening. Or not. Oh, the suspense.

Do I want it? Yes.
Will we get it? No.

Is Robinson just a hopeless deluded dreamer or a liar? Maybe I'm just a naive Blizzard addled fanboy?
This community sometimes reminds me of being in long miserable hot road trips with my family, listening to the logic of children when they say to their parents "You NEVER-EVER let us do (so and so)" or the classic "But you PROMISED!!!" when the phrase "I promise" was never even uttered, but apparently any inference towards the future is a promise to the mind of the emotionally frustrated and underdeveloped. It's really passive covert aggressive tactics, as if you'e guilting them out or trying to get a feature by threatening to cancel an account or threaten to just stop caring if you're never going to get it anyways. What's the point? Let's just get life over with and die.

IDk....everyone would look the same.

I take it you've never hung around RP servers or players who both enjoy the lore of this game and transmogging

I just went through his artwork on his Sons of the Storm page and not seeing the mocking nature you mean, he definitely has a preference for the Horde (Which is no secret) but that's about it.

It's a superficial preference at that, he loves it all, it's clear, just listen to him talk about his work sometime if you can find examples. It's fucking disgusting what people twist his public image into, a total injustice that will not stand. They're in our base, killing our manz. Say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, but at least it's an ethos.

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Lots of racial starting gear exists all over the game already that could be gathered for starting zone rewards and vendors, or archaelogy.

It would be awesome to see things like the original Orgrimmar grunt spikes great updates, the sentinel armor, all the racial gear. Orc shaman wolf head dresses, Tauren feather head dresses. Let's just shut up about developer time, it's obviously a factor. It's no reason not to discuss what might happen, as if anyone would ever claim a map opening animation would be added to the game in 4.3 because of "developer time".

[Deleted]

I would rather find transmog gear through archeology. Finding old elven orcish armors...and would work for other categories also...like finding chitin armor from nerubs or bone armor from fossils and so on...tol'vir armors would be lovely.

This would be bloody fantastic, however, I definitely do not expect it.

Fun to think about though!

[toxicrusader]

I would rather find transmog gear through archeology. Finding old elven orcish armors...and would work for other categories also...like finding chitin armor from nerubs or bone armor from fossils and so on...tol'vir armors would be lovely.

Sir, that would be amazing! So amazing that I don't ever dare to think about it so I don't get disapointed If it doesn't happen.

[Shinrael]

Once again, people need to learn how to create polls. Now you're asking us if its likely to happen, in which case the answer is no, However i'm pretty sure you meant to ask do we WANT it to happen, in which case the reply is yes.

No mate, people need to learn to read. I am clearly asking whether people WANT IT to happen in the poll. You must be some sort of special stupid to not notice it AND to criticise me.

I would rather find transmog gear through archeology. Finding old elven orcish armors...and would work for other categories also...like finding chitin armor from nerubs or bone armor from fossils and so on...tol'vir armors would be lovely.

Nobody said it's not possible. The question is "Will we get it?", "How" doesn't matter.

So what's the orcs racial armor ? Because im pretty sure for example shadow councill warlock don't goin to wear blademaster cloth or frostwolves shaman gear etc..

It's never too late to come up with new racial specific armour. And there is no problem having different sets for different classes/types of armor. Personally, I really like Grom's armor from the WoD trailer.

[Hattai]

Why make the thread one question and the poll a different one?

[Yig]

Man I get carried away sometimes. Apologies. I'm just a caveman.

[Lothaeryn]

Man I get carried away sometimes. Apologies. I'm just a caveman.

couldn't have said it better myself...

the ad hominems were a nice touch, might wanna give it a little more effort next time.

Everyone has their preference in taste, attacking my opinion on one artists work does not make your opinion any more favorable. You enjoy his work, I for the most part, don't.

Whether Sam Wise does have a bias is my opinion, perhaps I have a very minute glimpse of his work over the years, but seldom do I see anything I actually care to show interest in. Hes done alot of Blizzard's concept art and I appreciate the majority of his work for all of the franchises, but most of his Warcraft related stuff just doesn't interest me in the slightest. You only make yourself look like a dogmatic idiot here since it seems you can't take criticism for someone else's work.

And I underlined that part above because that needs an emphasis, this is not your work we are talking about here, this is Samwise Dider. Do you know him personally? Have you met him? or are you really sitting here on a forum in the dark of morning defending a man you have no association with whatsoever like a rabid guard dog defending a nonexistent master?

Someone commented on whether or not Didier should do the artwork of materials that may or may not ever exist at all, and I simply gave my opinion on the matter and why I felt that way, you trying your damned best to ostracize me for an opinion shows how little you understand what forums are designed to be used for. Forums are used as a medium to state an opinion and discuss a topic; it is not an echo chamber to feed your own ego by hearing the sound of your own voice. Barring the intention of your post you show that you have no intent on actually discussing anything in this thread, and are only here to bounce your opinion off the walls to see if you can rally enough agreement of how great your own opinion of the matter is, which is to me, a rather pathetic use of your time, and mine.

Now, if you actually want to contribute to this topic instead of playing "burn the heretic", we can actually discuss our pretty much only mutual thing we share, our ponderance on what, if they shall come to pass, these armors will hopefully look like. Or you can continue to rant at me because you needed a straw man to make yourself feel better.

Which will it be?

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I think we need more shoulder armor that only has one Shoulder, I'd like that for my orcs. That would be cool.

[Yig]

couldn't have said it better myself...

the ad hominems were a nice touch, might wanna give it a little more effort next time.

Everyone has their preference in taste, attacking my opinion on one artists work does not make your opinion any more favorable. You enjoy his work, I for the most part, don't.

Whether Sam Wise does have a bias is my opinion, perhaps I have a very minute glimpse of his work over the years, but seldom do I see anything I actually care to show interest in. Hes done alot of Blizzard's concept art and I appreciate the majority of his work for all of the franchises, but most of his Warcraft related stuff just doesn't interest me in the slightest. You only make yourself look like a dogmatic idiot here since it seems you can't take criticism for someone else's work.

And I underlined that part above because that needs an emphasis, this is not your work we are talking about here, this is Samwise Dider. Do you know him personally? Have you met him? or are you really sitting here on a forum in the dark of morning defending a man you have no association with whatsoever like a rabid guard dog defending a nonexistent master?

Someone commented on whether or not Didier should do the artwork of materials that may or may not ever exist at all, and I simply gave my opinion on the matter and why I felt that way, you trying your damned best to ostracize me for an opinion shows how little you understand what forums are designed to be used for. Forums are used as a medium to state an opinion and discuss a topic; it is not an echo chamber to feed your own ego by hearing the sound of your own voice. Barring the intention of your post you show that you have no intent on actually discussing anything in this thread, and are only here to bounce your opinion off the walls to see if you can rally enough agreement of how great your own opinion of the matter is, which is to me, a rather pathetic use of your time, and mine.

Now, if you actually want to contribute to this topic instead of playing "burn the heretic", we can actually discuss our pretty much only mutual thing we share, our ponderance on what, if they shall come to pass, these armors will hopefully look like. Or you can continue to rant at me because you needed a straw man to make yourself feel better.

Which will it be?

I stopped talking to you the moment I made that post. Not really interested in talking to you at all unless you really want to talk about the racial armor, but you seem to hate or dislike most of what I appreciate, so if you want to find out what we agree on, I guess that's possible, I don't mind forgetting the whole thing, but my opinion of people like you who claim Samwise deliberately does less quality work for one faction over another still stands. I wasn't making any logical arguments so thus I wasnt making any ad hominems, I was directly criticizing you and my opinion of your type in the community. If you think that's a logical fallacy, okay. But I wasn't interested in debating the issue. I was telling you how petty I thought you were. You haven't done much to change my mind, in fact you're being kind of dishonest in the way you're both reprimanding me and attacking me at the same time for criticizing your element in the vocal community. But I understand, you felt attacked and cornered and you're lashing out and feeling defensive. You took your sweet time about it.

I hope you got it out of your system, I did.

My opinions of your opinions still stand, and I don't need logical debate to defend them. They're nothing but opinions.

If you really want to claim you're totally not biased against him for his behavior, eat your heart out. I don't believe you.

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You know what, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt without going back to look at what your exact words were, I very well may have been straw manning you.

You want to make constructive criticism over his individual designs, that's reasonable. I think he gets away with a surprising amount of errors in his figure drawing concerning anatomy for instance when he get's into poses he's not usually familiar with. But I suck at anatomy and love that someone can accomplish what he has while still having areas to improve on. He seems like a very self taught artist to me and he's grown a lot over the years working with his colleagues, I really can't look at anything he did before WC3 for the most part and find it particularly strong or impressive. Then I think he really found his stride and became a very impressive artist, his passion is evident in his work it seems to me.

The moment you claim he's deliberately slacking off based on his faction preferences, I can't take you seriously. If you think he does poor work on Alliance designs for some reason other than his own disinterest or bias, then I'm guilty of straw manning you and apologize.

I'm fine with you disagreeing with me and I'll fill up a page of my own criticism of Blizzard if I had to demonstrate I'm not here just to be agreed with, claiming I'm here to just have my opinions echoed at me doesn't really seem consistent with my posting history IMO. I think you just needed to lash out after being scolded and you're just jumping to a very extreme conclusion, it's understandable.

I'm going to wipe the slate clean at this point and I apologize for my vehemence, but I feel you're just a victim of Tall Poppy Syndrome here I think. We unfairly judge those who are successful or renowned, another common glitch in human software we are all prone to if we're not careful of our biases. I'm wrong about you and straw manning you if you have more to your dislike of his work than the faction bias I see him accused of.

And if so, I used you as a whipping boy for the people who actually in droves do believe he does poorer quality work for the Alliance based on his supposed hatred or dislike of the Alliance and his favoritism of the Horde. My deepest condolences and apologies if you're not one of those people.

So, while I've said some more things you may feel further challenged by and you rightly feel like replying to with some more tit for tat, I'd be interested in learning some more about what you actually do like specifically about this kind of project and what you are a fan of in the game's design if you'd like to meet me on neutral ground.

[Shinrael]

Why make the thread one question and the poll a different one?

The thread consists of two questions:
Will we get it?
Do we want it?

1) I can't make 2 polls in the same thread. Making two threads for it is stupid
2) You are just a player. And so is everyone who posted here, none of you can tell me if we will actually get it so making a poll with question "do you think we will get it?" is pointless.
3) What I want to know/confirm, and would like Blizzard to know, is that we DO want it

[Serenais]

1) No, we won't see transmoggable racial armor/weapon sets.
2) Yes, I would still like them.

[Lumineus]

1) No, we'll get them but they'll be like Wandering Isle gear - all white quality and thus non-transmogrifiable to continue to prop up the obnoxious restrictions on the Vanilla PvP items.
2) No, we'll get them, but as starting gear they won't make plate and mail versions for the appropriate classes, so over half the characters in the game won't even be able to use them for transmogrification anyway.

For such a popular feature, transmogrification really, really sucks. Should have launched with no restrictions and been a free tab on your character sheet, like it is in pretty much every other game with a similar system. Then we wouldn't have to hear about "philosophy" and myopic falsehoods like "everyone and their mother with Thunderfury!"

[Deleted]

Going back to OP's post, really like the idea and I hope its stuff like this which Blizzard is thinking about. I hope the updated graphic models don't just include the races and nothing else but are in actual fact very widespread.

[Deleted]

I'd rather they put a little more effort into tier gear as they use to.

Aye.

I miss the ICC wotlk gear+tier.. Most of the tiers and gear looked fucking AMAZING. Shaman ? YEP. Death knight? AW YISS. Most others were quite good aswell, but could've changed some minor stuff.

But the weapons.. Oh... So sexy.

[Lothaeryn]

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Ok, I am going to go out on a limb here and agree that I may show some preconcieved notions about Sam's work, and I agree I might be somewhat overjudgemental about his work and him in general, and perhaps I have been a bit biased against him based on my observations of his persona and that may have given me a bad view of his work.

Don't miscontrue that I hated his work to begin with, His work is great, and most of the concepts and art I love about Blizzards work is from him. I just feel that when it comes to certain things in Warcraft, particularly Alliance based stuff, he just seems a tad dispassionate in his work regarding them, when his Horde works just look fantastic. Its just that sometimes when you observe his work and compare them to the other half, it kinda makes you feel like hes not putting effort forward.

But I cannot blame someone for their own preference, He likes horde more than Alliance, and that's not going to change, so its obvious that some of that will show in his work to some degree. And I will agree that he shows passion for both, I love most of his work from WCIII for both factions, its just that I kinda wish he would do a bit more on the Alliance side more often than he normally does.

And no, I honestly don't believe he does it deliberately, I have a rather love-hate relationship with Blizzard's work, and that often times colors my perceptions of their devs quite often. I'm sure hes a great guy in person.

As for the racial armors, I really hope they take the time to make more designs that vary the style of each race a bit further than they are now. Different armor styles for Human Guards in various locations, different battle regalia for Night Elf Sentinels based on their platoon/outfit. It would be kinda nice to see some variance to show that every race doesn't have some cut/paste design as if they all order their armors from the same factory. Plus it would be nice to have a few custom race armors that players can wear rather than everyone having only one to choose from per race.

[PetersenIII]

It looked good on paper as a sketch, but they executed that poorly in game, plus he tends to be a bit bland deliberately for Alliance themed things.

You mean a guy that screams "Fuck the alliance" gives alliance themed armour a lick and a promise? WHO'D HAVE GUESSED!?

[Yig]

1) No, we'll get them but they'll be like Wandering Isle gear - all white quality and thus non-transmogrifiable to continue to prop up the obnoxious restrictions on the Vanilla PvP items.
2) No, we'll get them, but as starting gear they won't make plate and mail versions for the appropriate classes, so over half the characters in the game won't even be able to use them for transmogrification anyway.

For such a popular feature, transmogrification really, really sucks. Should have launched with no restrictions and been a free tab on your character sheet, like it is in pretty much every other game with a similar system. Then we wouldn't have to hear about "philosophy" and myopic falsehoods like "everyone and their mother with Thunderfury!"

I don't agree. I feel classes should stick to armor restrictions for the sake of identity and iconography. The only thing I think Transmog needs is a storage system, all classes should have armor restrictions lifted for head slots only to display leather and cloth on warriors and rogues and shamans etc.

And I think legendary weapons should be able to be mogged.

I want weapon choices to matter and that illusion goes away when you can literally make anything look like anything. This stuff is very based on aesthetics and it's understandable not everyone appreciates the same thing, but my philosophy is basically Blizzard's.

I just wish they had some dude like me sit and sort through every white item that seems okay for mogging and to categorize what seems silly over 4th wall breaking, like fish swords.

Philosophy here is important. Myopic falsehoods over legendaries I can agree with you on. Even nerfed and soloable, they take a lot of luck and time to get, and should have their lifespan extended, especially for roleplayers.

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Ok, I am going to go out on a limb here and agree that I may show some preconcieved notions about Sam's work, and I agree I might be somewhat overjudgemental about his work and him in general, and perhaps I have been a bit biased against him based on my observations of his persona and that may have given me a bad view of his work.

Don't miscontrue that I hated his work to begin with, His work is great, and most of the concepts and art I love about Blizzards work is from him. I just feel that when it comes to certain things in Warcraft, particularly Alliance based stuff, he just seems a tad dispassionate in his work regarding them, when his Horde works just look fantastic. Its just that sometimes when you observe his work and compare them to the other half, it kinda makes you feel like hes not putting effort forward.

But I cannot blame someone for their own preference, He likes horde more than Alliance, and that's not going to change, so its obvious that some of that will show in his work to some degree. And I will agree that he shows passion for both, I love most of his work from WCIII for both factions, its just that I kinda wish he would do a bit more on the Alliance side more often than he normally does.

And no, I honestly don't believe he does it deliberately, I have a rather love-hate relationship with Blizzard's work, and that often times colors my perceptions of their devs quite often. I'm sure hes a great guy in person.

As for the racial armors, I really hope they take the time to make more designs that vary the style of each race a bit further than they are now. Different armor styles for Human Guards in various locations, different battle regalia for Night Elf Sentinels based on their platoon/outfit. It would be kinda nice to see some variance to show that every race doesn't have some cut/paste design as if they all order their armors from the same factory. Plus it would be nice to have a few custom race armors that players can wear rather than everyone having only one to choose from per race.

Awesome, glad that's settled.

I kind of like the WC3 unit thing and just wish every possible option was available to us, but also seeing those themes expanded upon and explored would rock.
Chris Robinson being hyped for more racial armor just has me more hyped, even if it takes a few years. I've been here 9 years now, kind of feel I had to develop the patience of a prison inmate to get the things I wanted back in 2004 lol, and there are still many things. But I'm also amazed by how many things I wanted in the game in 2004 that eventually made it. Sometimes I feel like Blizzard is reading my mind.

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You mean a guy that screams "Fuck the alliance" gives alliance themed armour a lick and a promise? WHO'D HAVE GUESSED!?

Oh look. It's one of them.
Weird how it's the people who are so concerned about developer faction bias who somehow ignore that Samwise designed some of the most beloved Alliance armor sets in the game, not to mention the majority of the Night Elf visual iconography as we know it.

And I don't even need to mention Dwarves. The dude is fucking obsessed with dwarves and orcs.

This is just so weird. Metzen and Sammy arguably created the best of everything about the Alliance, but they get crucified for good natured ribbing over characters they both birthed and developed during the peak of their popularity with the fans. I give up. One can never reason with someone who arrived at a position without using reason in the first place.

Samwise's Night Elves are the cream of the crop. His dwarves eat dragons for breakfast, his pink haired gnomes cut orcs down to size, and his shorts and tucked in T shirts are the paramount of sophisticated fashion sense.

Wei take you all!