General WoD Alpha/Beta Discussion

[ATZenith]

You changed your avatar and I had no clue who the hell you were -_-

He's batman

[Tiberria]

I strongly doubt they will put 5.4.8 live with less than 3 weeks of advanced warning for people to get to 3000 VP if they want to. If they do, people will be pissed off that they used VP to upgrade offspec/3rd spec stuff that they wouldn't have upgraded had they known they could use it for main spec gear. Waiting the full 3 weeks also puts it live June 3, lining it up perfectly with Wildstar, which makes all kinds of sense.

Of course, I guess they might figure that most raiders are fully VP capped anyway and that it doesn't really matter. I know that I've been sitting at 3000 VP every week since like December with every piece of main and off spec gear upgraded. However, the people who might not have the excess VP are probably the people that are still progressing/getting lots of upgrades, and the 4/4 upgrades are primarily aimed at people progressing/stuck on bosses. I can't see them wanting to screw them over by not allowing time to fully cap.

[Aboubacar]

Whoever heard it from a guildie that it will be this week (or next idk when he posted that) is just delusional. These things have to be bug tested, we've already seen a bug where they completely deleted the Arrokoa models from the game files by accident, and a handful of other bugs. The also pushed an achievement change in there last minute. I'd wage at the very minimum we have 2 more weeks for that patch to go live. If you're bored you can log in now and play with your +8 ilvls on everything, it's pretty insane for the trinkets.

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I strongly doubt they will put 5.4.8 live with less than 3 weeks of advanced warning for people to get to 3000 VP if they want to. If they do, people will be pissed off that they used VP to upgrade offspec/3rd spec stuff that they wouldn't have upgraded had they known they could use it for main spec gear. Waiting the full 3 weeks also puts it live June 3, lining it up perfectly with Wildstar, which makes all kinds of sense.

Of course, I guess they might figure that most raiders are fully VP capped anyway and that it doesn't really matter. I know that I've been sitting at 3000 VP every week since like December with every piece of main and off spec gear upgraded. However, the people who might not have the excess VP are probably the people that are still progressing/getting lots of upgrades, and the 4/4 upgrades are primarily aimed at people progressing/stuck on bosses. I can't see them wanting to screw them over by not allowing time to fully cap.

I'm fully vp capped and im saving 2 months worth of timeless coins to turn in for valor as we speak. Never have to log in except for Tuesday raid.

[CosmicGuitars]

Well if it does break that trend. That's ANOTHER trend broken this end era has done.

Unfortunately, the most important trend they promised to buck is seemingly stuck as the status quo - content gaps between expansions.

[finskee]

At first I was like holyshit why is this thread so long?

Then I read a little and realized why. In this thread: madness.

[Krazzorx]

I strongly doubt they will put 5.4.8 live with less than 3 weeks of advanced warning for people to get to 3000 VP if they want to. If they do, people will be pissed off that they used VP to upgrade offspec/3rd spec stuff that they wouldn't have upgraded had they known they could use it for main spec gear. Waiting the full 3 weeks also puts it live June 3, lining it up perfectly with Wildstar, which makes all kinds of sense.

Of course, I guess they might figure that most raiders are fully VP capped anyway and that it doesn't really matter. I know that I've been sitting at 3000 VP every week since like December with every piece of main and off spec gear upgraded. However, the people who might not have the excess VP are probably the people that are still progressing/getting lots of upgrades, and the 4/4 upgrades are primarily aimed at people progressing/stuck on bosses. I can't see them wanting to screw them over by not allowing time to fully cap.

Technically, people would be harmed more by delaying it to give a 3 week notice to "be fair" than release it immediately.

Or to put it another way: you don't "lose" anything by not being hard VP capped at this instant if the patch launched this instant. Your ilvl isn't going down. What you gain though are those who are already VP capped able to spend theirs.

Most people who are progressing aren't getting gear at a fast rate. I've gotten 2 pieces in the last 4 weeks? (Progressing on heroic paragons ATM with clears included) And I know this isn't unusual for our guild. I'm assuming most at this point regardless of progression levels who raid on a consistent basis have exhausted their gear upgrades for the most part.

I don't think it'll be this week (though the fact its in release build is interesting) but there technically isn't anything lost by not informing people in time. Would more have been VP capped and not upgraded off spec gear if informed early? Ya, but you aren't losing anything. It's not like 5.1 where you'd never be fully upgraded and did fall far behind if you weren't hard VP capped at the start.

[Zoaric]

At first I was like holyshit why is this thread so long?

Then I read a little and realized why. In this thread: madness.

Jooooin uuuuuus...

Seriously, when info hits, join in. It's fun at times.

[Krazzorx]

Here's some math that better illustrates what I mean:

Lazy person beloq:

Patch hits week 1 I have 0 VP, I gain 0 ilvls.
3 weeks later I have 3000 VP, I gain 24 ilvl
So 24 total.

Alert person:

Patch hits week 1 I have 3000 VP, I gain 24 ilvls
3 weeks later I gain 3000 VP, I gain 24 ilvls.

Total ilvl gained: 48 ilvls.

Now if we do it by patch hitting 3 weeks from now:

Lazy person gains same amount of ilvls: 24.

Alert person though gains only 24, not 48.

So nothing is "lost" by launching upgrades in this particular case without warning.

Not saying that it will be this week, but just showing math that it wouldn't really harm anyone by releasing without warning.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

The warning IMO would be warranted if the VP were to reset. Since that is not the case, no warning is necessary.

[Krazzorx]

The cases where warnings would be warranted IMO is if there were alternatives to spend VP on or if it was something like 5.1 where you would fall behind.

While yes you can gear up OS and upgrade them, you're only doing that if you're swimming in gear and gear progression has essentially stopped.

For ToT: there was the choice to spend VP on armor or gear upgrades. Which necessitated telling people ahead of time: you're going to need to stop buying the stuff.

This time, its just gear upgrades.

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On a related note: where does it say its a release build? That's not on front page as far as I can tell.

[finskee]

Jooooin uuuuuus...

Seriously, when info hits, join in. It's fun at times.

The problem for me is... I'm currently way too level headed. Let me see if I can work up a little ANGER over a VIDEO GAME. If I can, I'll be back.

[yeryerdude]

On a related note: where does it say its a release build? That's not on front page as far as I can tell.

The version number on the character login screen on ptr.

http://imgur.com/XgFZyt0

[rcshaggy]

Will 5.4.8 be the last patch before 6.0.0?

[Caerule]

It is very likely. I'm excited for it at least. Those extra 8 item levels are certainly going to help my group get more things done before 6.0 gets here.

[ATZenith]

The problem for me is... I'm currently way too level headed. Let me see if I can work up a little ANGER over a VIDEO GAME. If I can, I'll be back.

Nobody is angry over a video game wut.

We are just discussing WoD and we have been for like months in this thread.

[CosmicGuitars]

The problem for me is... I'm currently way too level headed. Let me see if I can work up a little ANGER over a VIDEO GAME. If I can, I'll be back.

This isn't a particularly angry thread.

[ataraxia123]

The problem for me is... I'm currently way too level headed. Let me see if I can work up a little ANGER over a VIDEO GAME. If I can, I'll be back.

Sha of ANGER is controlling this thread!

But actually this thread has far less 'anger' than most of the threads around, if you actually look at it

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Hmmm..... Yeah I think it is safe to say that their change of plan about garrison is one of the important reason for this delay
Hope this means massive garrison info will release before alpha

[finskee]

You think it isn't anger fueling this discussion..............

It's like I'm looking at Darth Vader and all you guys see is some cute little padawan kid.

A thread like this can be your doom. Don't say the murloc guy didn't warn you.

[CosmicGuitars]

You think it isn't anger fueling this discussion..............

It's like I'm looking at Darth Vader and all you guys see is some cute little padawan kid.

A thread like this can be your doom. Don't say the murloc guy didn't warn you.

We're on the 1467th page. I think we're beyond needing warnings.

[finskee]

Yes, Yes, I can see now the full extent of it. I pray for your souls.