The Return of 40 Man Raiding

[Deleted]

i was in a 40 man raiding guild in vanilla & we had no problem getting raids together.

Guild I was in had huge problems with getting raids together, getting that many people to show up in time was hard.

[Cattleya]

Everyone saying it would be a lag fest. Do you play on a potato?

Depends, are they talking actual lag or making the same mistake as you and calling framerate drops, lag?

Personally, I have a PC that has no issues at all running the game on the highest settings, but that didn't stop the game from *lagging* (no, not the framerate dropping) when the entire server was nuking the shit out of Jin'rokh in ToT.

[Zka]

Back in the day, a lot of raids used to have much bigger "theaters" and set pieces. You ever raided AQ? LOADS of space around lots of the bosses.
Today things seem cramped because the boss rooms are often small or medium sized.
Anub'Arak 25 man sure didn't feel that crowded.

Also, back in the day people didn't use 15 spells and bosses had 2-3 major abilities. There was just much less visual clutter.

[Deleted]

Also, back in the day people didn't use 15 spells and bosses had 2-3 major abilities. There was just much less visual clutter.

The amount of visuals do not increase because people still cant cast more than one spell at a time.

[Zka]

The amount of visuals do not increase because people still cant cast more than one spell at a time.

Sure, but spell effects are much larger, more vivid, and more spells have these effect nowadays. Effects usually last for a while after casting has finished. See where it's going?

[freighttrain]

[Nostalgia] I wonder if 40 Man raiding will ever return in its glory to an epic scale. It would certainly make 10, 15, 20, and 25 man raids look laughable. So, question of the day: If 40 man raiding returned, would you go for it, ignore it, or quit? [/Nostalgia]

If it were the only option I would quit. If it were Mythic, I may have to stop Hardcore raiding.

[-Superman-]

Would it now?

It certainly didn't feel laughable jumping directly from 40 man to 10 man when going from vanilla to TBC, so I don't see why it should feel laughable now.

It might be laughable to you, but I certainly don't feel the same way. I see nothing laughable about it.

I just meant most raiders, who are hardcore about raiding, are snobs. "Oh, tell me again dragonslayer about your adventures in LFR while I shine up my 25M heroic platemail." If 10M raiders don't see LFR as raiding, I would imagine 40M teams would likely look at 10M teams and say, "Oh, tell me again dragonslayer about your adventures in 10M raiding while I shine up my 40M heroic platemail."

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i feel it would just be a graphical lag fest.

I am seeing this excuse being used a lot. Are people still raiding on laptops or something? I don't recall the last time my FPS dipped under 31, and that was during a war with the horde while trying to bring down Galleon.

[Ealyssa]

We will see in wildstar if player really want 40man raiding or if it's just plain old nostalgia.

[Karnak]

Organizing 40 man raids is painful and tedious. I speak from experience. There are always people who promised to be there who don't show (not the same people, that would be too easy to fix), constant AFKing for restroom or drink breaks, constantly one to three people DCed and so on.

Certainly make flex go all the way up to 40, but I don't think purpose built 40 mans are a good idea. If there is any fight that requires the players to spread out there needs to be enough room for 40 to do so, which makes it very easy to do so on 25 man and pretty much ignorable on 10 man.

[Nihilostromrage]

It was a Fn nightmare back when it existed. Clearly you weren't there or that nostalgia would be more tempered.

[Karnak]

It was a Fn nightmare back when it existed. Clearly you weren't there or that nostalgia would be more tempered.

Well, in fairness it probably wasn't a nightmare for the bulk of raiders who just had to show up at such and such time on such and such day. For raid leaders in Vanilla (I was one, but haven't been since) it was very bad and quite hard. Which is why less than 10% of players participated in a Ragnaros kill during Vanilla and something like 3% a Nefarion kill. Made those of us standing around in Iron Forge and Undercity in T2 or other such raid loot get looked at a lot more. Now almost everyone has tier epics. It also made PvP and BGs a lot more fun, but BGs probably really sucked for the players who couldn't get into a raid when facing an organized group of raiders.

[araine]

Hope not!!!!! 40man sucked, less people = more skill ( my opinion )

As always, the less people you have the less you can hide in the shadows slacking

[Duridi]

I just meant most raiders, who are hardcore about raiding, are snobs. "Oh, tell me again dragonslayer about your adventures in LFR while I shine up my 25M heroic platemail." If 10M raiders don't see LFR as raiding, I would imagine 40M teams would likely look at 10M teams and say, "Oh, tell me again dragonslayer about your adventures in 10M raiding while I shine up my 40M heroic platemail."

The smallest minority of them all you mean?

Being a hardcore raider doesn't make you feel above everyone else. Being someone with the need to be above everyone else does, and those you'll find here and there within every group. I wouldn't fear their opinion.

[antelope591]

40 mans were awesome in the MC/BWL days because of the epic feel and little to no guild hopping. Who doesn't remember their first rag or nef kill? AQ 40 and especially naxx were only awesome if u were in a top guild since twin emps/cthun and patch killed off pretty much every mid level guild and below. Still fun for top guilds tho. Its never coming back however, it had its day but now its done

[Deleted]

Why raids have to be so complicated? I liked the idea of vanilla raids more, it was about gettings lots of people and actually socializing. Also making raid bosses more simple would allow more resources into creating more raids.

[zorkuus]

Why raids have to be so complicated?

Because some of us know how to play.

[Redpanda]

let 40 mans die. Come on people we are out of the dark ages of raiding....I would avoid them like a chick with the herp.

[freighttrain]

The smallest minority of them all you mean?

Being a hardcore raider doesn't make you feel above everyone else. Being someone with the need to be above everyone else does, and those you'll find here and there within every group. I wouldn't fear their opinion.

I raid heroically and did all the hard modes in the past before heroic modes and we mainly focused on beating the content as a group of friends. We did not look down on those who couldn't, and we never looked upon with awe those that could do it better. What you said is the best representation of these special snowflakes. It is their need to be recognized and their want to put others down that makes them that way not hard modes.

[Constraint]

Can't say I miss it all that much. Sure, it was amazing if you were lucky/dedicated enough to get into one of the few truly organized 40-mans, where every single person pulled their weight, but I confess I had a lot more fun in 25s than in 40s.

Bring back one difficulty and one size per raid, kgo.

[Deleted]

The other 1958578239 guilds had.

sucks to be them, then.