Why is it that women can opt out of taking care of a child but men can't?

[Elegiac]

Wow if you haven't read the previous postings maybe you shouldn't put words in peoples mouths. If you care to go back and look, I simply said they should say what they mean "a pregnancy has no effect on a man" was the statement I quoted and I stick to the fact that it is a ridiculous statement.

But to play devils advocate on your leap lol, (though not recognized as a medical condition) take a peek at Couvade sydrome.

Very droll. Women have an actual, real risk of permanent physical damage and even death from pregnancy. They have a -lot- more of a stake in bringing a kid to term than a man does.

[Deleted]

Wow if you haven't read the previous postings maybe you shouldn't put words in peoples mouths. If you care to go back and look, I simply said they should say what they mean "a pregnancy has no effect on a man" was the statement I quoted and I stick to the fact that it is a ridiculous statement.

Men risks suffering preeclampsia during a pregnancy or other complications. Men risks suffering injuries during birth that can kill them. No, wait.

[Vokal]

The fact that women have a chance of actually dying from the pregnancy.

A woman has the right to choose to opt out of having a child if she fears such an outcome, since that is a factor in just about every pregnancy. This isn't part of the whats at stake since the phrase, and this thread, deals with matters after birth rather than before.

[aggs]

Very droll. Women have an actual, real risk of permanent physical damage and even death from pregnancy. They have a -lot- more of a stake in bringing a kid to term than a man does.

Right and does that make the statement any more true? I'll post it again. "A pregnancy has no effect on a man"

[Elegiac]

A woman has the right to choose to opt out of having a child if she fears such an outcome, since that is a factor in just about every pregnancy. This isn't part of the whats at stake since the phrase, and this thread, deals with matters after birth rather than before.

Then stop using "woman can have an abortion" as justification for that argument, because it's not relative at all.

[Vokal]

She doesn't opt out of her obligations towards a child when she gets an abortion because there is no child.

That is exactly my point.

[Deleted]

Right and does that make the statement any more true? I'll post it again. "A pregnancy has no effect on a man"

Only effect it has on a man is a psychological impact which varies wildly from man to man and you cannot fall back on that because of that.

[aggs]

Men risks suffering preeclampsia during a pregnancy or other complications. Men risks suffering injuries during birth that can kill them. No, wait.

Again this isn't what you said or what I took issue with.

[Tastyfish]

I don't understand the title.
If men can't why is there so much deadbeat dad dialog and drama over single mothers?

[Deleted]

Again this isn't what you said or what I took issue with.

No, you take issue with something that varies so wildly from man to man that you can't even reliably tell how it will affect men.

[Dispraise]

"a pregnancy has no effect on a man" was the statement I quoted

That's true. That is what you quoted. However, "Motherhood also means the woman is pregnant and her body is affected by it. A man is not affected by a pregnancy." is what was actually said. Unless you lack serious comprehension skills, the semantic meaning of that statement is obviously about the physiological effects of being pregnant, not the psychological effects of being involved in a pregnancy.

[Vokal]

Then stop using "woman can have an abortion" as justification for that argument, because it's not relative at all.

You're telling me that 'women have the option to terminate pregnancy' is not a satisfactory response to 'giving birth can prove fatal'?

[aggs]

That's true. That is what you quoted. However, "Motherhood also means the woman is pregnant and her body is affected by it. A man is not affected by a pregnancy." is what was actually said. Unless you lack serious comprehension skills, the semantic meaning of that statement is obviously about the physiological effects of being pregnant, not the psychological effects of being involved in a pregnancy.

Are you denying that he can be effected? Obviously not to the same degree but to deny that they can be effected as was stated is absurd.

[Elegiac]

You're telling me that 'women have the option to terminate pregnancy' is not a satisfactory response to 'giving birth can prove fatal'?

I'm telling you that "women have the option to terminate pregnancy" is not relative to a man's financial responsibilities to raising the child, yes.

[Mayhem]

now this topic wasn´t here for a long time... wohoo let the circle argumentation begin

[Dispraise]

Are you denying that he can be effected? Obviously not to the same degree but to deny that they can be effected as was stated is absurd.

I'm denying that he can get pregnant, which was the obvious meaning of that statement. Pedantry is not particularly cogent.

[Deleted]

Are you denying that he can be effected? Obviously not to the same degree but to deny that they can be effected as was stated is absurd.

Nobody is denying the psychological impact it can have but it differs so wildly from man to man that you can't reliably tell how it will affect men. Which is in no way comparable to the physical aspects of a pregnancy anyways.

[Vokal]

I'm telling you that "women have the option to terminate pregnancy" is not relative to a man's financial responsibilities to raising the child, yes.

The thread isn't debating that however.

[Deleted]

The thread isn't debating that however.

You have no financial responsibility for a fetus that you can forfeit. So, logically, you want to be able to forfeit it for the child if you want men to be able to forfeit their responsibilities. Which women cannot.

[aggs]

Nobody is denying the psychological impact it can have but it differs so wildly from man to man that you can't reliably tell how it will affect men. Which is in no way comparable to the physical aspects of a pregnancy anyways.

Maybe don't use a woman can die from it in any argument either then. I mean those effects from pregnancy can vary so widely, I don't think most die.