Possibly no flying throughout entire xpac.

[Drytoast]

Well since you're still asking the other side for their argument and refusing to listen to any counter arguments, I wonder why you should be afforded this unique position.

Oh I've heard their excuses. They don't add up.

You cant tell me you couldn't have used a ground mount this whole time if that's how you would prefer to play. When their is an entire role playing community who not only would use ground mounts...but would use NO MOUNT and walk ever where if they felt it helped with their immersion.

It's like you want this bit of role playing feels, but blizzard has to handicap everyone for you to feel comfortable with it. And that's where I get pissy. As much as you probably think I'm selfish...MY fun doesn't rely on anyone else doing shit they don't want to do.

Was I skipping content these past 7 years? NOT AT ALL. It still took a shit ton of time to get that fucking legendary done because all the quest objectives required I dismount to do them. I can't think of anywhere in that quest chain that had me "swoop in" and kill that one thing. It was all rep grinds, and kill 20 this, collect 10 that crap.

[Drytoast]

I'm not a role-player and you are not a moderator so don't tell me to shut up kiddo.

So you couldn't explain this imaginary "wall" that stopped you from using a ground mount this whole time?

Got it!

[Anium]

How is this thread still going...zzz. I remember when you got your 60% faster mount at level 40 and thought you were teh shit, but now all people do is complain, but you know why...

because rogues just wannaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa have fun,,, ohhoohhhhhhhhhhh rogues just wanna have funnnnnnn!

[Deleted]

This thread is STILL going?

I'll just re-post the point I've tried to make since the beginning.

Flying is optional. Use a ground mount if you're so passionate about it.

[Deleted]

The content is bare bones @100, the professions have been nerfed to the ground. Garrisons is the central theme of railroaded gameplay and leveling to 100 is faster in WoD than 90 in MoP.

I agree with this, I strongly believe there is a MAJOR shit storm coming with this expansion. I don't agree that no flying will be part of the shit storm though, but rather the paltry content and lack of imagination and as you say, the central theme of railroaded gameplay (and very well put) in the shape of Garrisons, which I have tried and it's really not that interesting. The farm in MOP was something to do when you wanted a change of pace from the real content. What are you going to do when the change of pace/sidetrack/loisir is one of the big features and the rest is subpar in the first place?

[Paula Deen]

So you couldn't explain this imaginary "wall" that stopped you from using a ground mount this whole time?

Got it!

The imaginary wall is that if its better people will use it.

How about this, since your fine with telling people to shut up.

The change is staying till atleast 6.1, shut up.

[rda]

The change is staying till atleast 6.1, shut up.

By the way, maybe not. If the outrage is big enough, they might turn flying back on before 6.1.

[Paula Deen]

By the way, maybe not. If the outrage is big enough, they might turn flying back on before 6.1.

The change is staying till atleast 6.1, shut up.

There is a word there.

[Deleted]

Played since release when there was no flying and far less flight paths and they weren't connected as well as through all xps.

Don't care kinda but it will be fun to gank people out in the open now instead of them scurrying. PvP servers may actually feel as pvp servers again.

[rda]

There is a word there.

You are saying no-flying is staying until at least 6.1, I am saying they might remove it before 6.1, given enough complaints.

[Paula Deen]

You are saying no-flying is staying until at least 6.1, I am saying they might remove it before 6.1, given enough complaints.

.... 6.0 is already live..... it isn't being added.

[rda]

.... 6.0 is already live..... it isn't being added.

6.0a or something...

[Drytoast]

The imaginary wall is that if its better people will use it.

How about this, since your fine with telling people to shut up.

The change is staying till atleast 6.1, shut up.

The purpose of forums is discussion and debate.

But debate or discussion isn't "I just couldn't use a ground mount, and I can't give you a reason why...just cause". What the hell is that? Don't bother joining in on the discussion (or debate) with "just cause". It's cheap, idiotic and brings nothing to the table.

"just cause"...lol really.

[Alixie]

Don't care kinda but it will be fun to gank people out in the open now instead of them scurrying. PvP servers may actually feel as pvp servers again.

-gank
-pvp
Pick one.

I play on a high pop pvp server where it took a turn for the worst and 90% are now horde. I fully expect WOD to be like a larger timeless isle, where you cant even leave the flight path because there's packs of 40 asshats "pvping".

Buhbuh but you rolled on a pvp server! Stahp QQing!

When I started playing on my server, it was mostly balanced, and pvp was fun. Then Blizz made a cash grab with paid fraction transfers and most pvp servers ended up getting their relative pop balance skewed to favor one fraction instead. Basically, killing fraction balance killed pvp, and Id rather fly away than deal with the emote spamming asshats when it's 40 to 1.

[Drytoast]

-gank
-pvp
Pick one.

I play on a high pop pvp server where it took a turn for the worst and 90% are now horde. I fully expect WOD to be like a larger timeless isle, where you cant even leave the flight path because there's packs of 40 asshats "pvping".

Buhbuh but you rolled on a pvp server! Stahp QQing!

When I started playing on my server, it was mostly balanced, and pvp was fun. Then Blizz made a cash grab with paid fraction transfers and most pvp servers ended up getting their relative pop balance skewed to favor one fraction instead. Basically, killing fraction balance killed pvp, and Id rather fly away than deal with the emote spamming asshats when it's 40 to 1.

In all fairness, re rolling is fucking easy now. you are an idiotic for staying on that server still. If you are waiting for Blizzard to correct the problem for you, or maybe somewhere down the road it will eventually even out again...yeah...poor choice of your time and money.

[Deleted]

Oh I've heard their excuses. They don't add up.

Plenty of the others with the opposing view have been questioned, what many says does not stand up to close scrutiny but it is still repeated with tedious inevitability, why are your rehashed opinions immune to such treatment?

You cant tell me you couldn't have used a ground mount this whole time if that's how you would prefer to play. When their is an entire role playing community who not only would use ground mounts...but would use NO MOUNT and walk ever where if they felt it helped with their immersion.

Yes indeed, and as I have pointed out several times I am a roleplayer. All my characters are on roleplay servers, mostly Argent Dawn EU, and do this walking thing myself. So I do not know what you're getting at with this mini tirade that you've been focusing on the last few pages almost like you've just made a discovery.

It's like you want this bit of role playing feels, but blizzard has to handicap everyone for you to feel comfortable with it. And that's where I get pissy. As much as you probably think I'm selfish...MY fun doesn't rely on anyone else doing shit they don't want to do.

I wouldn't have it taken away for immersion reasons. Not at all. However they removed content from the game that has spoiled my personal enjoyment, and of others as it removed depth from the game, for example; Old world questing, Rogue poison manufacture/lockpicking skill, flavour and fluff spells from classes, old talent trees that allowed character customisation according to your character's traits and specialisations in blacksmithing and other professions. Those we cannot get back. It's mournful.

[Mask]

I am so freaking excited about no-flight in WoD. After the first 2 months or so of flight novelty wore off for me back in 2007 I have been wishing the game could go back to like it was during vanilla. Having travel times and dodging packs of mobs and world pvp and stealth actually being a useful class perk is all part of the immersion in an MMO. Flying over everything like you are superman and can drop down on all objectives from above is just ridiculous. Flight was fun for a bit, but it ruined too many things that I used to love about the game.

[Aberzombie]

Flying in BC was a novelty experience. Using the fact that it was important in BC as to why we need it today makes no sense.

Flying in WWI was a novelty experience. Using the fact that it was important in WWI as to why we need it today makes no sense.

ftfy

[Maneo]

Is not easier than just fly to your spot of interest. did you noticed that? no? Exactly.
I had a very early beta key, and let me tell you, no flying is not more fun, is just the same old same old but flyless. It sucks big time!!!!

Yah I have heard this from the majority of beta testers. Although I wasn't a tester I got to play a bit on my friends account and that was pretty much my experience as well.

My friend was a big proponent of no flight up until he was playing beta, he really believed that the removal of flight would offer Blizz the opportunity to create some exciting and innovative content. Since he has been playing beta since the very beginning, his out look has changed to if flight isn't brought back in 6.1 he is done, because they didn't do anything innovative with it... same type of content now you just can't fly.

Watching Youtube videos, and talking to people in game most seem to think flight will return in 6.1. if it did that would be great, if it doesn't I expect WoW to be well below 5 million subs a couple months after 6.1 launches.

You don't take away the only method of convenient fast travel in the game and replace it with nothing.

Leveled a hunter to 100 on Beta without flying (as is always the case), and then proceeded to keep exploring at 100 without flying.

Was more immerse and fun.

Something I always felt during MoP when I hit 90 was that flying trivialized the remaining world content.

As soon as I dinged, I felt compelled to get flying and to finish off content, or it would seem inefficient.

While this made finishing off world content easier, it felt much less rewarding. Less fun. Outright made it boring.

Kinda like I had a soft cheat activated. I know I could have just used ground mount, but seemed silly to do so.

Immersion was essentially non-existent the moment I could just fly over zones.

Where should flying remain present? Through-out zones I've seen for years and years. I'd spit chips if I had to ground mount my way through org.

Should Draenor have flying? Yes, at the back end of the expansion.

Yah and as one of the few people in beta I have seen with this stance, I must ask. What about 2-3 months down the road when you have played through all the non instanced content. When you are left with just pet battles, archeology, dailies, gathering etc etc... are you still going to enjoy being grounded or are you just going to sit in the capital cities?

See what you posted is why I (even though I personally don't like it), conceded that flight should not be available till 6.1. Tail end of the expac IMO is to long, 4 months of the exact same is enough for me. Let me fly over those mobs that pose no threat challenge or reward and get to the parts of the game I actually want to play.

The change is staying till atleast 6.1, shut up.

If today they announced flying was returning in 6.1, I would leave this thread so fast it would make your head spin.

Highly doubt I am the only one.

[Aberzombie]

Because it makes me feel like I'm handicapping myself, which reduces my enjoyment?

So voluntarily handicapping yourself reduces your enjoyment and is bad, but...

handicapping everyone involuntarily won't reduce any of their enjoyment so it's good?

bullshit