It's Supreme Court day! Hobby Lobby VS Obamacare.

[badzerath]

It's not a hand out. It's part of their legally mandated compensation package, no different from a legally mandated minimum wage.

And "don't have sex" has never worked as a foolproof social strategy in the history of the world. Ever.

Yeah guys people just walk around humping like rabbits because we lack basic mental functions that distinguish us from wild animals.


Oh wait.

[oujosh29]

How is it necessary for you have a twisted view of it?

The persons body is their own responsibility, not yours. Denying them access to medicine that can prevent expensive pregnancies that you can find your tax dollars dealing with afterwards is far cheaper and more responsible than what ever nonsense you just put forth.

People have sex. It's going to happen. Unless it's porn or whoring no one is being paid to have sex. Ugh I feel disgusted even seriously answering this.

To be fair your using the same logic trap others have made. Its either contraceptives or tax payers pay for the baby. You completely leave out personal responsability and making the mother AND father financial responsable. And lets also be clear no where in this case is hobby lobby denying any woman health care, they are just saying "here are the contraceptives we want to pay for. you want the other ones, pay for it yourselves, we're not your parents."

[Symphonic]

How is it necessary for you have a twisted view of it?

The persons body is their own responsibility, not yours. Denying them access to medicine that can prevent expensive pregnancies that you can find your tax dollars dealing with afterwards is far cheaper and more responsible than what ever nonsense you just put forth.

People have sex. It's going to happen. Unless it's porn or whoring no one is being paid to have sex. Ugh I feel disgusted even seriously answering this.

Hobby Lobby is not against contraception. They are against things like "the morning after pill" which ends the viability of a fertilized egg. If you don't want to get pregnant, use one or more of many options available, including condoms or regular birth control pills.

[NuLogic]

One thing I've thought about to determine my opinion on this is ask myself, if my teenage daughter or teenage son or a friend of mine came up to me and asked me to pay for their birth control I'd say no. I'd be a terrible parent/friend if I said yes.

Then they go behind your back and get pregnant. Things don't work out as well as in your head.

[Deleted]

How is it necessary for you have a twisted view of it?

The persons body is their own responsibility, not yours. Denying them access to medicine that can prevent expensive pregnancies that you can find your tax dollars dealing with afterwards is far cheaper and more responsible than what ever nonsense you just put forth.

People have sex. It's going to happen. Unless it's porn or whoring no one is being paid to have sex. Ugh I feel disgusted even seriously answering this.

It really annoys me, normally when its the 'I shouldn't pay for other people trough taxes' its not that big a deal, now I feel dirty because it feels like there are a bunch of virgins here that don't understand that people have sex.

[Deleted]

Hobby Lobby is not against contraception. They are against things like "the morning after pill" which ends the viability of a fertilized egg. If you don't want to get pregnant, use one or more of many options available, including condoms or regular birth control pills.

Stairs end the viability of a fertilised egg too, do you want them to ban stairs for you?

[Reeve]

I mean "prohibiting the free exercise thereof". You were saying? Why would we force someone to violate their beliefs to pay for your sex?

They aren't paying for my sex. They're paying me my compensation, which I'm using to pay for my sex.

And don't forget "but not to take action in violation of social duties or subversive to good order," which includes paying legally mandated minimum compensation to your employees.

[Kasierith]

Hobby Lobby is not against contraception. They are against things like "the morning after pill" which ends the viability of a fertilized egg. If you don't want to get pregnant, use one or more of many options available, including condoms or regular birth control pills.

And what about IUD's? They work literally the way as a birth control pill.

[dehotz]

One thing I've thought about to determine my opinion on this is ask myself, if my teenage daughter or teenage son or a friend of mine came up to me and asked me to pay for their birth control I'd say no. I'd be a terrible parent/friend if I said yes.

You think you'd be a terrible parent if your son/daughter had genuine financial difficulty in obtaining something that they had a medical need for and you assisted them? Have to say that seem back-asswards to me.

[badzerath]

Stairs end the viability of a fertilised egg too, do you want them to ban stairs for you?

There is an intelligent rebuttal worthy of an Obamacare supporter.

[Reeve]

Yeah guys people just walk around humping like rabbits because we lack basic mental functions that distinguish us from wild animals.

Actually, yeah, pretty much. I'm glad you agree.

[Deleted]

There is an intelligent rebuttal worthy of an Obamacare supporter.

There is a wild generalization worthy of someone who is one of two things; An idiot, has no ability to distinguish joke from legitimate statement.

Take your pick. I have an idea of which one you are.

[Reeve]

Hobby Lobby is not against contraception. They are against things like "the morning after pill" which ends the viability of a fertilized egg. If you don't want to get pregnant, use one or more of many options available, including condoms or regular birth control pills.

Condoms sometimes fail, which is what the morning after pill is for.

[badzerath]

They aren't paying for my sex. They're paying me my compensation, which I'm using to pay for my sex.

And don't forget "but not to take action in violation of social duties or subversive to good order," which includes paying legally mandated minimum compensation to your employees.

Just because some sleezbag stated his opinion doesn't make it fact. The SCOTUS is a silly partisan theater.

[Xeones]

I mean "prohibiting the free exercise thereof". You were saying? Why would we force someone to violate their beliefs to pay for your sex?

If you pay me and I spend it on sex you're paying for my sex. What difference are you attempting to make here?

[Sunseeker]

Really? I thought it was the Church of Hobby Lobby. My point was, I think it should be all or nothing. Either you force churches and businesses to provide contraception against their religious beliefs, or you allow any business/church to opt out of providing contraception coverage.

They are two entirely different things and there's no reason to put them in the same box other than to muddy the argument.

I would however, like to add that if a church officially employs someone, then that aspect of the church should be separate and different.

[badzerath]

There is a wild generalization worthy of someone who is one of two things; An idiot, has no ability to distinguish joke from legitimate statement.

Take your pick. I have an idea of which one you are.

I'm just saying your signature says it all about you.

[Xeones]

One thing I've thought about to determine my opinion on this is ask myself, if my teenage daughter or teenage son or a friend of mine came up to me and asked me to pay for their birth control I'd say no. I'd be a terrible parent/friend if I said yes.

And you would be a better parent to spend thousands more on an unwanted kid?

[dehotz]

To be fair your using the same logic trap others have made. Its either contraceptives or tax payers pay for the baby. You completely leave out personal responsability and making the mother AND father financial responsable. And lets also be clear no where in this case is hobby lobby denying any woman health care, they are just saying "here are the contraceptives we want to pay for. you want the other ones, pay for it yourselves, we're not your parents."

Actually what they're saying is that they want to be able to force insurance companies to supply them with plans that specifically don't include these forms of contraception. Most insurers have recognized that it is far cheaper, and thus more beneficial to them, to supply contraception to women at little or no cost. This is why in my opinion is tantamount to a punishment on women because you're forcing the insurers, who would rather cover this, to not do so.

[Deleted]

I'm just saying your signature says it all about you.

When I come to forums, I come to forums to receive psycho-analysis by completely unqualified people.

Now let's see if you can decipher the context of that signature, it'll be a good experiment.