WoW Twitch community and its downfall

[madmanx]

Why are you watching some moron in full makeup that is making duck faces while she is "playing". There are live feeds out there that are actually about WoW and not some random soft-core porn/social commentary. Go watch those!

I really hope they are not doing this for some in game advantage btw, that would just be a little too sad for words.

[Abysal]

Sorry that people would rather watch some 18 year old girl with D cups and a low cut shirt suck at WoW than watch you stream challenge modes OP.

Have a hug.

[Noomz]

Hello guys.

I want to talk about livestreaming. WoW livestreaming.

Nowadays you don't see as many WoW streamers as in the past. We've had names like Reckful, Hydra, Tosan, Ziqo, Klinda etc...
Those are names you remember being at the top of the twitch WoW streaming community. Nowadays, we have random noname females which raid SoO normal/LFR, dying on the first 5% of the bossfight then proceed to alt tab to go on facebook or talk about stupid shit they experienced the day before. The worst part is, they have 600+ people watching INCLUDING a SUB BUTTON.

WHAT. THE. FUCK

Streaming used to be about the best players broadcasting top tier gaming content involving high end arenas and races to world first PvE kills. Myself being not that interested in PVE I cannot speak for that section as the only PvE streamers I know are Sco and Evrelia. Skilled players who deserve every inch of fame they have. People like Snutz, Venruki, Talbadar, Pikaboo, Trillebårtom, Båten and Zeepeye. They are the best PvP'ers in the world at the moment who stream WoW arena and 80% of them do not peak as many viewers as the random girls who show 60% of the screen as their cleaveage in their tight tops.

Please explain me the logic where Kaceytron and Blondiewondie who are stuck at bronze 3 in league, 1500 in arena can have more viewers than legends such as Snutz and Båten. Im really intregued how ANY female can start up a stream and hoard massive cash from just showing tits on cam and live off that.


Its no question that males dominate the ladders in every competetive online game. LoL, Starcraft, Dota and WoW. There are NONE top level female players in any of those games. By top I mean top 5 in the ladders, surely there are a astronomical exeption out there, but there is no doubt that male players are the most skilled. This is because we have better brain capacity and are more talented when it comes to multitasking and teamplay.
Don't get me wrong, I've played with many girls over the 9 years in WoW. 1 officer in the last PvE guild I was in was by far the most skilled PvE mage I've ever played with, but out of maybe 20, she was the only one who stood out as a skilled player, and thats what live streaming is about. Being GOOD at a game, and showing those skills to the people watching.

Livestreaming is about teaching others your ways, broadcasting the talent you possess for others to take your knowledge, not buy a webcam and whore yourself out to 14 year old teenagers. Let me provide some examples.





This is a serious topic btw, I'm actually pissed about this issue.

Well if that's what people wanna watch... It's sad and tragic, I know. I really, really cannot understand the appeal. Who cares about a pair of tits on a stream when you can just google for porn for much better tits anyway? I don't understand.

Reminds me of the Reply Girls on Youtube, before they all got banned. Makes me despair for humanity.

[Kelsifer]

All I'm seeing is biggotry. Who cares if they have breasts or show them? If it's what works for them, then it works for them.

Who are you? A nun? A priest preaching that breasts are evil? That sex is bad and condoms are a sin? Please.

All people are arguing for here in this thread is that good-looking women aren't allowed to stream. Women that look good should be allowed more than just being condemned to the kitchen.

NO he is saying that a lot of girls jump in a game, do nothing but bs and show cleavage and get viewers. before i get accused of the same thing there are some awesome girls out there that have excellent quality gaming streams. But sooo many of them are like yay boobs lets afk in org and talk on skype, or like the other day some chick was cleaning her office and had a couple thousand viewers.

[Archmage Alodi]

All i can say! people like boobies . twitch should ban them for prostitution )

[Noomz]

All I'm seeing is biggotry. Who cares if they have breasts or show them? If it's what works for them, then it works for them.

Who are you? A nun? A priest preaching that breasts are evil? That sex is bad and condoms are a sin? Please.

All people are arguing for here in this thread is that good-looking women aren't allowed to stream. Women that look good should be allowed more than just being condemned to the kitchen.

Because it's shameless. It's prostitution. You're doing something not for the game or the quality of what you do, but because you prostitute yourself. It's -all- about that.
Nothing wrong with sex, but people who pose as something they aren't and clearly stream for purposes that there are other websites for... Well, it's low. It's shameless. It's weak. If it's about sex, just remove the game and go straight to nudity and sexual acts.

No, that's not hte problem. The problem is the merit on which they stream. It's not their skill, it's not that they're entertaining, it's that they have low-cut shirts with big tits. It's damaging to those girls and women out there that want to be serious streamers too, because all people will think of them is that they should/will show their tits.
It adds to the misogeny and sexism.

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And you're here telling what people should or shouldn't like watching?

It's a slippery slope. Before you know it women aren't allowed to afk anymore on stream, because they're women and guys might -just- be watching because they like looking at a woman. Heaven forbid.

In my opinion the fact that WoW is a popular MMO in itself is more sign of humanity being in decline than good looking women being popular on TV.

Stop the laughable exaggerations and ridiculous, over-the-top, baseless theories.
Gaming streams should be about games, not how you look. THere are other websites for that.

[Revi]

Same reason why "reply girls" on youtube became a thing..

We men are predictable as fuck.. I can be watching a documentary about string theory, but if the related video is a picture of an awesome cleavage, i'll have a hard time (no pun intended) not clicking it.

Boobs to men are as close to hypnotic as you can get, it's quite bizarre but that's just how it is. Not just that, but these are "gamer girls" and the viewers are male gamers in puberty.

Because it's shameless. It's prostitution. You're doing something not for the game or the quality of what you do, but because you prostitute yourself. It's -all- about that.
Nothing wrong with sex, but people who pose as something they aren't and clearly stream for purposes that there are other websites for... Well, it's low. It's shameless. It's weak. If it's about sex, just remove the game and go straight to nudity and sexual acts.

Uhm, welcome to capitalism? This is how it works. Integrity has no merit in capitalism, all that matters is what works.

Yeah, it's wrong, but this is the system society has agreed on. Girls making money off showing cleavage, fully clothed, is not even CLOSE to bad compared to most other stuff we happily allow without complaint.

[Arewn]

All I'm seeing is biggotry. Who cares if they have breasts or show them? If it's what works for them, then it works for them.

Who are you? A nun? A priest preaching that breasts are evil? That sex is bad and condoms are a sin? Please.

All people are arguing for here in this thread is that good-looking women aren't allowed to stream. Women that look good should be allowed more than just being condemned to the kitchen.

Biggotry? Really?
He's asking for quality streamers instead of the flood of super-soft-core porn streamers that are beginning to dominate the site. This has nothing to do with excluding women from streaming, or anything as ridiculous as "condemning women to the kitchen". You literally just pulled that out of your read-end, as it is entirely outside the scope of what people are saying in this thread.
Talk a about white-knighting straw man...

Girls wanna wave their tits around for easy views? cool, go right ahead. But there are still people out there who want quality game-play streamers (man, or women, which ever). You know, the thing twitch was intended for?

[Dracodraco]

Eh. I personally don't even understand why someone can stand looking at hyped up "PvP" heroes who yell and shout random gibberish, as if it somehow could save them/make them do more damage, whenever they're fighting someone. But that's my opinion - I personally prefer streamers like Sparty who actually goes out of their way to help the general community, and interacts with his stream.

[Coronius]

All I'm seeing is biggotry. Who cares if they have breasts or show them? If it's what works for them, then it works for them.

Who are you? A nun? A priest preaching that breasts are evil? That sex is bad and condoms are a sin? Please.

All people are arguing for here in this thread is that good-looking women aren't allowed to stream. Women that look good should be allowed more than just being condemned to the kitchen.

Wow, what a confused post. I'm totally cool with them drawing focus to their breasts instead of what they're doing, as long as you don't proceed to cry and moan about women being objectified in the video game and streaming community later on - because frankly, this is contributing to exactly that, and you're seemingly cool with it. I just feel bad for those girls who simply want to enjoy what they're doing without being associated with the e-strippers who use their breasts to get viewers and cash. But I'm glad we understand each other then. Personally, I think women should be viewed as professionals, much like men.

That stuff about people thinking that good-looking women shouldn't be allowed to stream is nothing but speculation and wishful thinking on your part, because that being true would actually warrant your little crusade. Not one person has stated this, but hey, pretending is fun gusy. The fact that myself and many more guys are following female streamers who do not resort to bullshit like this alone invalidates your claim.

[Zaelsino]

Don't gamergurls get blown out of the water by streamers like Ducksauce/Sodapoppin/Xaryu et al? They only seem to reign supreme when no one else is streaming.

[TheTaurenOrc]

Today I learnt about softcore-gamergirl-streamers, I feel enlightened.

There was an segment on NPR yesterday about pro gaming leagues, apparently Twitch has/is starting one. Lots of games were mentioned, WoW wasn't one of them...

[Terahertz]

I tried watching girl streamers but they're all absolutely horrible. Besides their looks (of some aren't even good at all) they're boring to watch and extremely horrible at the game.

But it's sad that people watch girl streamers simply because of their tits. If you want tits, just look for tits on google and you'll most likely find even better ones than the push upped ones you see on livestreams >_>

Tbh though, it's not girl streamers ruining quality WoW streams. It's WoW itself. There's literally nothing to stream nowadays besides arena and raiding. Only reason why streams get views nowadays is because of people their personality, rather than their gameplay. Sodapoppin being the best example here.

Today I learnt about softcore-gamergirl-streamers, I feel enlightened.

There was an segment on NPR yesterday about pro gaming leagues, apparently Twitch has/is starting one. Lots of games were mentioned, WoW wasn't one of them...

Can't blame them with the current state of the game. Nothing happens in arena for 10 minutes then someone gets randomly one shot because of the sheer amount of defensive cooldowns out there and crowd control. Basically makes the game boring to watch IMO

[Arewn]

You're over-exaggerating. It's just some cleavage....not even close to soft core porn.

Thus "super-soft-core".
But yes, I made a bit of use of a literary device called hyperbole.

[Canderous1]

Livestreaming is about teaching others your ways, broadcasting the talent you possess for others to take your knowledge

actually, livestreaming is about entertaining viewers, not teaching or broadcasting talent. if you can gain a loyal fan base just because you are good at wow, then great. chances are, its going to take more than just being good at pixel pushing. two of the most popular wow streamers right now are sodapoppin and ducksauce, neither of which have any uncommon talent at wow... they are just entertaining to alot of people.

you think a few hundred people watching a female is that wierd? how about 10,000 people watching sodapoppin on a regular basis.


you cant really call kaceytron a wow streamer anymore, she streams league and trolls thousands of people for money. she has a particular genius when it comes to streaming that kind of amazes me how well it works.

[Deleted]

Livestreaming is about teaching others your ways, broadcasting the talent you possess for others to take your knowledge, not buy a webcam and whore yourself out to 14 year old teenagers. Let me provide some examples.

That's just your definition of livestreaming. All livestreaming is, is broadcasting the game you're playing. You can do that however you want. Plenty of the biggest livestreamers in the world are not pro players, but youtube "celebrities", that is usually a form of comedy/entertainment, and not necessarily skill. Some of the biggest streamers in the gaming world are in fact, not that great at gaming, but produce good content, good videos and have a large fanbase.

If this content is what some people think is good to watch; let them watch it. It doesn't stop you from watching your pro players.

[Malta]

This is because we have better brain capacity and are more talented when it comes to multitasking...

"Because the brain cannot fully focus when multitasking, people take longer to complete tasks and are predisposed to error. When people attempt to complete many tasks at one time, “or [alternate] rapidly between them, errors go way up and it takes far longer—often double the time or more—to get the jobs done than if they were done sequentially,” states Meyer. This is largely because “the brain is compelled to restart and refocus”. A study by Meyer and David Kieras found that in the interim between each exchange, the brain makes no progress whatsoever. Therefore, multitasking people not only perform each task less suitably, but lose time in the process."

So men are more talented at half-assing, got it.


It's the end of the expansion and people are bored. I doubt the viewership will remain where it's at once WoD is released.

[foxHeart]

That is pretty much what it comes down to. The moment a popular figure is a woman everything becomes about her only getting popular because of her breasts. It's an easy cop-out to avoid women from getting equal recognition and respect as men in the same role or function.

Newsflash: All women have breasts.

If those girls weren't streaming the tit cam picture-in-picture nobody would even bother watching them...except for maybe the super desperate guys who can chaturbate to anything with a hot voice. Hell, some guys will chat up anything in pink letters with a girly name and remotely female profile picture. Equal recognition. lol

Newsflash: not all women whore themselves out over livestreams in hopes that people will donate to them and/or boost their self-esteem.

[Kaj392]

That is pretty much what it comes down to. The moment a popular figure is a woman everything becomes about her only getting popular because of her breasts. It's an easy cop-out to avoid women from getting equal recognition and respect as men in the same role or function.

Newsflash: All women have breasts.

There is a difference between streaming a game and webcam whoring. Have you ever looked at somebody like Kaceytron? She is not famous for her gaming. She got famous for having her tits half out and getting insulted all over the chat. That's a simple fact.
It's not about wether they are female or not, the point is them having a huge cleavage and having the webcam half the screen instead of having a normal sized cam in their screen and not using their tits to get views.

It's a gaming website. If they were actual good then they would get views without having their tits half out. It has nothing to do with equality between genders.

[Every Pwny]

WoW arena is boring to watch imo, especially in it's current state. Plus it's basically the same as last season and towards the end of an expansion people seems generally less interested in WoW. In WoD I'm sure there will more streamers.