VA Tries To Confiscate Disabled Vets Guns, Stopped By Citizens And Sheriff Stand gua

[Haibara]

Slimjim literally has me scared he's Swedish, like, that's an Ocean too close for comfort.

[Mormolyce]

Ehh actually its your post that's bs, if you were a vet you wouldn't be saying things like this. Vets with honerable discharges are more deserving for guns. Doesn't matter a vet is a hero.

Including this guy?

The ex-Marine who went missing after terrorizing multiple Pennsylvania communities by diabolically scratching off a hit list which included his ex-wife and five of her kin—has been discovered dead in the woods just yards from his home, police announced Tuesday.

For two days, numerous Philadelphia suburbs were reeling from one of the most deadly mass murders in the state’s history.

That hysteria was compounded with fear of further bloodshed since Bradley William Stone, the Iraq war veteran armed with blades and guns who killed six and injured a teenage boy, remained on the lam.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ing-spree.html

And this guy?

Military veteran Johnathon Reeves, 30, was in the recently established veterans treatment court in Salt Lake City and reportedly doing well.

That's why many were shocked when they heard that Reeves shot and killed his fiancée and their 2-year-old son, according to police, before turning the gun on himself over the weekend.

Murray police believe Jaime Salazar, 34, and Jordan Reeves, 2, were killed by Reeves inside their apartment, 224 E. Vantana Court, just before noon on Sunday. Reeves then turned the gun on himself.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8...ay.html?pg=all

Or this one?

An Iraq war veteran killed his pregnant wife and young daughter before turning the gun on himself, and police are having a tough time figuring out why. The bodies of Matthew Magdzas, 23, April Oles-Magdzas, 26, and 13-month-old Lila, along with their three dogs, were found Wednesday—the day April was set to give birth to the couple's second daughter—in the family's home in Superior, Wis., but Magdzas left no clues to explain his actions, the AP reports. "Unfortunately, sometimes in these things, if they don't leave a note, we don't definitely have a why," a local police captain said.

Investigators say they have found no signs of domestic trouble or unusual stress, but a sibling of Magdzas' wife told the Duluth News Tribune that Oles-Magdzas and her daughter had been staying with a relative for weeks. "She wasn’t living with him at the time," the sibling said. "They had had some kind of problem but I could see they were…trying to work it out." Magdzas enlisted in the National Guard in 2004 and was deployed to Iraq in 2006. He returned in 2007 and had been working as a firearms instructor.

http://www.newser.com/story/98551/ir...y-himself.html

How about this woman?

For the first time, family members of a pregnant local veteranwho killed her three children before taking her own life are speaking to Channel 2 Action News.

They told Channel 2 investigative reporter Aaron Diamant they feel the Department of Veterans Affairs fell short in helping Marine Kisha Holmes and her kids.

Holmes' aunts Gloria Miller and Stella Holmes-Hughes flew to Atlanta from New York a few days ago to make funeral arrangements for their niece and two of her children.
They went to the Atlanta VA Medical Center, desperate to get some answers about Holmes’ death.

Both women told Diamant they have not heard from the VA since their niece's death.

"I think that the reason why we haven't heard from anybody is that they're getting all their ducks in a row," Holmes-Hughes said.

This week, Channel 2 Action News broke the news that the VA had already flagged Holmes' file for "high risk of suicide" and that she missed two important mental health appointments in December.

So far, Atlanta VA leaders have refused to tell us whether the staff made any effort to contact Holmes.

"She fell through. They failed her, and they failed her children," said Miller. “If I can't be here consistently, I will be back. I will get some answers."

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local...s-child/nj4ny/

For extra points, here everyone's accusing the VA of not doing enough to intervene...

[lockedout]

Including this guy?


http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ing-spree.html

And this guy?


http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8...ay.html?pg=all

Or this one?


http://www.newser.com/story/98551/ir...y-himself.html

How about this woman?


http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local...s-child/nj4ny/

For extra points, here everyone's accusing the VA of not doing enough to intervene...

Probably all were taking their SSRI meds which led to their actions.

[Mormolyce]

Probably all were taking their SSRI meds which led to their actions.

Maybe they were on their meds. Or maybe they went off them.

Those were just the links from the front page of google when you type in "veteran kills family" by the way. There's LOTS.

[lockedout]

Maybe they were on their meds. Or maybe they went off them.

Those were just the links from the front page of google when you type in "veteran kills family" by the way. There's LOTS.

There's more of them killing themselves, LOTS more.

[Mormolyce]

There's more of them killing themselves, LOTS more.

And you're saying this is... a good thing?

[Endus]

There's more of them killing themselves, LOTS more.

And given the rate of use of firearms for suicide, this is another reason they should be denied them.

[The Penguin]

1> The VA is determining that people are not competent to own firearms. The NICS already uses mental health records to determine if someone is competent, and this just adds the VA's mental health records to the system.

2> It's the FBI seizing the firearms, not the VA.

What you guys are supporting here is that if the VA determines that a vet is having psychotic breaks and refuses to take his meds, they shouldn't be able to prevent him from arming himself, despite his dangerous psychotic delusions. You're literally upset that the VA might pass that info along to the FBI, like any other mental health system would, with the same result.

The Sheriff disagrees with you. Take it to court if you dislike it, though I suspect a judge will rule the same way.

[Mihalik]

I give up. I can't. I can't even...

1, Gun advocates BITCH AND FUCKING MOAN ALL THE MOTHERFUCKING TIME that the problem is not with guns...but with mental health. And that all the mass shooters are just crazy, it's not the guns...it's the crazy.

2, Authorities and specialists try to step in and remove the firearms from someone who is mentally unfit to have them. Gun advocates throw A MOTHER FUCKING HISSY FIT that we shouldn't take guns away from the mentally unstable.

I don't even know what to say. Except this.

You are all fucking out of your motherfucking minds.

[The Penguin]

I give up. I can't. I can't even...

1, Gun advocates BITCH AND FUCKING MOAN ALL THE MOTHERFUCKING TIME that the problem is not with guns...but with mental health. And that all the mass shooters are just crazy, it's not the guns...it's the crazy.

2, Authorities and specialists try to step in and remove the firearms from someone who is mentally unfit to have them. Gun advocates throw A MOTHER FUCKING HISSY FIT that we shouldn't take guns away from the mentally unstable.

I don't even know what to say. Except this.

You are all fucking out of your motherfucking minds.

Not really.

Here's the key part of the matter which seems to be getting missed:

The VA confirmed that they sent the man a letter, but they deny that the VA has the power to confiscate guns from anyone.


The VA has reportedly been working with the FBI as their muscle to perform the actual confiscations. From the article on that particular issue:

A memo from February of 2012 was first obtained by the Daily Caller and titled “MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS AND THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION REGARDING THE NATIONAL INSTANT CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK SYSTEM,” has been causing quite the stir.

This particular memo dictates that the VA must submit veterans health-related information to the FBI by way of encrypted compact disc and mailed quarterly. It states that the records will be used to update the NICS or National Instant Criminal Background Check System.

A separate document revealed that the VA provides a monthly list of veterans who have been rated by the VA as incapable of managing their VA benefits. A simple act of changing ones banking information could get a veteran on this list, as well as refusal to take the VA prescribed pills.

So basically deciding you don't want to take a medicine = you aren't fit to keep a gun.

It's this kind of crap that people are fed up with.


TLDR: Good for the Sheriff and people making these Federal whackjobs back off.

[Mihalik]

The VA confirmed that they sent the man a letter, but they deny that the VA has the power to confiscate guns from anyone.

The VA simply qualified him as unfit. The gun removal is up to the FBI.

[Orbitus]

I give up. I can't. I can't even...

1, Gun advocates BITCH AND FUCKING MOAN ALL THE MOTHERFUCKING TIME that the problem is not with guns...but with mental health. And that all the mass shooters are just crazy, it's not the guns...it's the crazy.

2, Authorities and specialists try to step in and remove the firearms from someone who is mentally unfit to have them. Gun advocates throw A MOTHER FUCKING HISSY FIT that we shouldn't take guns away from the mentally unstable.

I don't even know what to say. Except this.

You are all fucking out of your motherfucking minds.

Exactly. Donald Trump said the same fucking thing a couple days ago about that guy that shot those 2 reporters. That everything is from mental health issues. Yet when they proposed mental health checks with the universal background checks, Republicans didn't even flinch to vote it down. Now when they actually go after vets that present mental health threats that have literally an ARMORY in their house and they stop taking their anti-psychotic meds, you see Republicans defending the people that are definitely mentally incapable of owning said firearms.

[Endus]

The Sheriff disagrees with you. Take it to court if you dislike it, though I suspect a judge will rule the same way.

The Sheriff didn't disagree with either of the points I raised, which are plain fact. He disagreed that the FBI should be able to seize a vet's firearms, but he really doesn't have any grounds to make that argument.

Not really.

Here's the key part of the matter which seems to be getting missed:

The VA confirmed that they sent the man a letter, but they deny that the VA has the power to confiscate guns from anyone.

Nobody's missing that. The VA doesn't seize anything. The FBI does. This was made clear early on. All the VA is doing is contributing mental health information to the NCIS database, like any other mental health practitioner would if one of their clients was deemed incompetent.

[mickybrighteyes]

Nobody's missing that. The VA doesn't seize anything. The FBI does. This was made clear early on. All the VA is doing is contributing mental health information to the NICS database, like any other mental health practitioner would if one of their clients was deemed incompetent.

NCIS is something else.

edit:

I think that's basically navy cops...

NICS is the background checking thing the FBI uses VA records for.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Anti gun control people, in gun control debates, say that we really just need to crack down on people who have mental illnesses and not hurt other Americans. When people with mental illnesses have their guns confiscated, they throw a hissy fit. Anyone surprised? Anyone?

Bueller?

[mickybrighteyes]

also, did anyone link what exactly got the dude qualified as unfit? Or are we just going with the VA said it so it must be true?

edit:

after the scandal that got dubbed death panels... I'd be a little skeptical about anything the VA has to say on qualifications. Also, people they declare 80%, or more, disabled still being in better physical health than basically ALL americans is still hilarious.

edit 2

oh wait it's not what teh VA says, it's how the FBI interprets it, right? fuck that shit.

[Wells]

Nothing happened after Sandy Hook. If our nation is willing to go through that and just shrug at the end of the day I'm not surprised anymore when people will defend weapons even for the mentally ill. Mass shootings are just the price someone else will have to pay for your gun hobby I guess.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Yeah, need to get more guns out of the hands of people that shouldn't have them. Vet or otherwise.

[Notchris]

Skipping meds is a giant red flag. Not skipping a pain killer or something similar, but the stuff that's used to help mitigate things like PTSD.

My father is a PTSD vet. You can see a marked difference in his behavior if he misses his meds (it's happened a handful of times). He hates them, but realizes he needs them to function normally.

[Iamanerd]

Did anyone notice on that site it had an ad for "I love titties and guns" lol. That site doesn't seem biased to me at all.