U.S. Military spending is the size of the next 9 countries combined

[Tijuana]

LMAO wtf

I imagine anything that could travel such great distances for the reason of attacking us won't be too terribly worried about railguns.

Yeah, if we can't get to them, what threat would we be to them?

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Well, I mean... I believe the idea of a railgun is more in the speed at which it can fire the projectile than it is in the weight of the projectile, and that the projectile is flung forward using magnetism instead of a powder charge. But yeah, I suppose some of the projectiles are somewhat weighty, and most likely made out of something like tungsten or some other hard stuff like that.

In any case, damage typically consists of mass and speed. Increasing mass is sort of a problem, because that usually means larger projectiles, and you'll have to lug around more and more weight. Increasing the speed of the projectile is much more logical, and that's where railguns come in.

One would assume depleted uranium would be the metal for this very reason.

[Tierbook]

This is what Americans actually believe.

Well, last I heard out of Belgium they had to request other nations escort a Russian military ship through their waters because they had no ships or aircraft capable of doing so at the time.... you know what happens when you piss off the US and they really want to make an example of you? We land an army on your shores within a week or so of hostilities and then you stop being a threat....

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Tobad most Europen country are at war now .

At war with what?

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One would assume depleted uranium would be the metal for this very reason.

Well, tungsten is denser, and DU has a bit of a radioactivity issue. I think some game had mass drivers in orbit that fired tungsten rods.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment

Of course, that's mass drivers, but I'd assume tungsten would work for railguns as well. Not sure which one would work better with magnets, though, and whether the projectile would have to have a sabot of some sort.

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Well, tungsten is denser, and DU has a bit of a radioactivity issue. I think some game had mass drivers in orbit that fired tungsten rods.

Tungsten is allot more expensive.

[Blizzhoof]

It's not surprising. The USA is the worlds police force for all intents and purposes. It's uneconomical, but will continue as long as people are easily swayed with 'terrorism' and 'safety.' The worlds probably never been safer, but we're spending more and more for nothing.

Tell that to France and the families of the dead in San Bernardino.

[Tierbook]

Tell that to France and the families of the dead in San Bernardino.

Safer doesn't mean no one dies, don't be obtuse.

[Tijuana]

Tell that to France and the families of the dead in San Bernardino.

Those are not events that involve the military.

[DJ117]

That's the official expenditure numbers on Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia and China... Get real, they are all enemies of the West and their real expenditure is much higher.

[breadisfunny]

minimum wage is modern day slavery you bourgeois scum

it pretty much is. some states still have a 5.25 minimum wage.

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So what are YOU doing about it, besides faking outrage on a gaming site forums?

so what are you doing about it besides making assumptions about someone you don't know?

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In a Representative Republic, which is what the United States was intended to be, National Defense is a legitimate role of government. Education, healthcare, and social services are not.

and that's why the u.s. will continue to fall further and further behind. enjoy having an army of soldiers who can't figure out how to operate a tank because they have no schools and can't fight worth shit because they are all suffering from dysentry or going on killing sprees because they aren't receiving proper mental care for ptsd. OH WAIT THE LAST ONE'S ALREADY HAPPENING. my sides hurt so bad.

[May90]

so what are you doing about it besides making assumptions about someone you don't know?

We are all doing the same thing here: shitposting.

[breadisfunny]

we most certainly did

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new york times is a conspiracy nut?

NO WE DIDN'T. stop lying.

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We are all doing the same thing here: shitposting.

you should be oh so very proud of yourselves. /golfclap.

[Lumineus]

they need to spend that much, who else will defend us when the independence day aliens come to colonize the earth?

You didn't think they actually spent ten thousand dollars for a hammer and thirty thousand for a toilet seat, did you?

[RaoBurning]

Obamacare is unaffordable. The primiums are higher then before and the deductibles are ball breaking. Insurance company's are losing profit and keep backing out of it which also causes prices to go up even higher. I guess that is what happens when you "Have to pass it so we can find out what is in it"- Nancy Pelosi (D)

I'm almost positive I corrected you on this quote mine in another thread, but it's so popular it very well may have been somebody else. Adding in just a few more words gives that sentence a very different meaning. Leaving them out is tantamount to lying through someone else's mouth.

[Tennis]

Neither is the U.S...?

Yet you think the U.S. should spend as much as the next 9 countries combined?

[Theinquisition]

it pretty much is. some states still have a 5.25 minimum wage.

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so what are you doing about it besides making assumptions about someone you don't know?

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and that's why the u.s. will continue to fall further and further behind. enjoy having an army of soldiers who can't figure out how to operate a tank because they have no schools and can't fight worth shit because they are all suffering from dysentry or going on killing sprees because they aren't receiving proper mental care for ptsd. OH WAIT THE LAST ONE'S ALREADY HAPPENING. my sides hurt so bad.

Glad to see you think PTSD is a joke.

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Yet you think the U.S. should spend as much as the next 9 countries combined?

So?

Ten characters

[bledgor]

Mall Security you realize you don't have to use the word "fuck" or some variation of it in every single post you make right?

On topic I think a lot of people are overlooking the research/benefits the military brings, and the humanitarian relief efforts it has been a part of. I would not mind cutting back our expenses abroad slowly while letting other nations pick up some of the slack. That isn't to say a total removal of power and neuter our military, just cut it back some and let others have a chance so if they are invaded they can actually defend themselves long enough for us to make it over.

[breadisfunny]

Glad to see you think PTSD is a joke.

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So?

Ten characters

glad to see you completely misinterpreted my post.

[Tennis]

If you spend that much on a military, you're gonna want to use it, and make up a bunch of BS to use it. Why wait for an actual conflict when you can create them? U.S Policy for the last 14 years, maybe even further back if You wanna bring in creating the Taliban.

Indeed bro. Then they created the whole mess in Iraq after invading under false pretenses.

[ringpriest]

That's the official expenditure numbers on Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia and China... Get real, they are all enemies of the West and their real expenditure is much higher.

You don't need to resort to conspiracy theories to make a similar point: US capabilities aren't as far ahead of rivals as the pure expenditure numbers would make it appear, because 1) many things (like wages for labor) cost more in the US, and 2) we waste a ton of it, both accidentally (due to things like broken OODA loops and inefficient bureaucracies) and deliberately in ways that are profitable for contractors, but very inefficient (if not useless) in terms of military utility per dollar (like the LCS and F-35).

That said, even if you accept that current US military strategic goals are valid (something I don't, insofar as we even have them), we still spend far, far more than we need to because of our broken systems (something that's not exclusive to the military).