A fleet of trucks just drove themselves across Europe

[melodramocracy]

And gets recorded by the cameras while the cops are notified, if they can even access the cargo.

Machines are a lot more difficult to hold at gunpoint and coerced into opening a lock.

I can only assume you've never actually been around a cargo trailer.

[Kraenen]

Wait didn't we need tons of immigrant labour into Europe?

[Hooked]

Wait didn't we need tons of immigrant labour into Europe?

No you needed cultural enrichment.

[Reeve]

I can only assume you've never actually been around a cargo trailer.

I've been around many. What's your point?

[melodramocracy]

I've been around many. What's your point?

That the cargo is typically contained via fairly minimal security standards

[Dendrek]

There's a number of problems with your post.

#1 Automating is safer. Less accidents, less traffic jams, faster deliveries. Why wouldn't we go with automation?

#2 Republicans are in favour of business, which doesn't mean they're in favour of people. If you regulate how businesses do business, you're essentially a democrat.

#3 Automation is just one form of efficiency. Might as well remove computers and give people type writers. It's a tool that depends on people. Many examples of this in history.

You clearly misread my post. I was saying Republicans will not support a standard wage. They'd be perfectly happy with automation. I didn't dispute that. But they won't give a crap about the people whose jobs this displaces. And they will be adamantly against the social services required to support people who cannot find work because of this. So for a good while after automation becomes a thing, lower and middle class workers will suffer horribly with mass unemployment and possible homelessness.

[Time Sage]

Person stands in road, another person cuts off trucks antenna, they proceed to rob truck as planned.

Most cars don't HAVE external antennas anymore. Hell most THINGS don't have them anymore. It would be built into the walls of the truck.

[Vash The Stampede]

You clearly misread my post. I was saying Republicans will not support a standard wage. They'd be perfectly happy with automation. I didn't dispute that. But they won't give a crap about the people whose jobs this displaces. And they will be adamantly against the social services required to support people who cannot find work because of this. So for a good while after automation becomes a thing, lower and middle class workers will suffer horribly with mass unemployment and possible homelessness.

I don't think it'll ever reach massive homelessness. At least, I hope not. I can see regulations that stretch what little jobs exist. Higher minimum wages, and limited 30 hour work week. A big problem here in the states is that the rent is too damn high. Owning or renting a home is just murder on peoples wallets.

[Dendrek]

I don't think it'll ever reach massive homelessness. At least, I hope not. I can see regulations that stretch what little jobs exist. Higher minimum wages, and limited 30 hour work week. A big problem here in the states is that the rent is too damn high. Owning or renting a home is just murder on peoples wallets.

Whether it's mass unemployment, or simply increasingly more unemployment than the workforce can absorb, it's still going to be an issue for a lot of people. My point was that it's likely people simply will not be able to find jobs. And very little will be done to help those people. The transition to a more automated work force will be very hard on a lot of people with little hope that our government (at least in the US) will do anything substantial to help us.

[Reeve]

That the cargo is typically contained via fairly minimal security standards

Currently, yeah. That's pretty easy to change, as required. Hell, you could even have an internal locking mechanism inaccessible from the outside that opens only in certain geofenced areas, or opens only with an authenticator style code. Whatever.

[In Ogres We Trust]

At this point in time, the public would never be comfortable with automated trucking or cars in general.

[Forogil]

Can you quote me where it says it does? Skimming through it I'm not seeing it.

In "http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_projections_methods.htm#occfactors":

Each occupation in the matrix is analyzed to identify factors that are likely to cause an increase or decrease in demand for that occupation within particular industries. This analysis incorporates judgments about new trends that may influence occupational demand, such as expanding use of new manufacturing techniques like 3D printing that might change the productivity of particular manufacturing occupations, or shifts in customer preferences between different building materials which may affect demand for specific construction occupations.

Among the various factors that can affect the demand for an occupation in an industry are:
1.Technological innovation
2.Changes in business practices or production methods
3.Replacement of one product or service by another
4.Organizational restructuring of work
5.Changes to the size of business establishments
6.Offshore outsourcing
7.Expected employment change in a segment of an industry where an occupation is more concentrated relative to expected employment changes in other segments of the same industry

[Drungan]

Pretty sure those are the trucks that passed thru Denmark last week .... if so the title of this topic is very wrong and misleading.


The point of this is not *self driving trucks* it is a matter of *follow the leader* the front truck does have a normal driver the following trucks also have drivers but the following trucks *hook* on the leading one and let them follow close and auto adjust speed based on the leader ( and breaking ) this lets the followers drive closer and therefor save fuel much like a train but without a direct link but with a digital link in teori later the following truck drivers could do other things while they idle on /follow like sleep making it possible to swap *leader* and make the truck train run for much longer without making it stop to let the driver rest.

[Wilian]

I trust computers waaaaaay more than a human driver.

I don't when they have to go for a decision of "Who's life I value more, my passenger's or the ones in other car/sidewalk" in event of accident. <.<

[Hooked]

Pretty sure those are the trucks that passed thru Denmark last week .... if so the title of this topic is very wrong and misleading.


The point of this is not *self driving trucks* it is a matter of *follow the leader* the front truck does have a normal driver the following trucks also have drivers but the following trucks *hook* on the leading one and let them follow close and auto adjust speed based on the leader ( and breaking ) this lets the followers drive closer and therefor save fuel much like a train but without a direct link but with a digital link in teori later the following truck drivers could do other things while they idle on /follow like sleep making it possible to swap *leader* and make the truck train run for much longer without making it stop to let the driver rest.

Thanks for the information, I wouldn't have a problem with that at all, its smart.

[DJ117]

Most truckers are East European in Europe so won't be an issue for us to replace them with AI.

[Mithfin]

I'm looking at it from a programmer's perspective, it's amazing they even stay on the road.

Self-driving cars with the ability to 'just stay on the (empty) road' were available 20+ years ago. Seriously, the number of engineers/programmers who have literally no idea about the state and the history of Machine Learning never ceases to amaze me.

[melodramocracy]

Currently, yeah. That's pretty easy to change, as required. Hell, you could even have an internal locking mechanism inaccessible from the outside that opens only in certain geofenced areas, or opens only with an authenticator style code. Whatever.

I'm sure getting millions of receiving areas to comply with this will be a cakewalk

In any case, it's more of a curiosity thing on my part.

[Deleted]

Well they didn't drive themselves through Romania. Otherwise we'd see them on the news on the side of the road in a ditch. Not because their programming sucks, but our roads suck and we have strange drivers that drive illogically. And last, but not least, the people owning them would recover them piece by piece from the scrapyards.

[Reeve]

I'm sure getting millions of receiving areas to comply with this will be a cakewalk

In any case, it's more of a curiosity thing on my part.

Geofencing is pretty easy, doesn't really require any setup on the receiving end.