[TV] The Wheel of Time

[Xath]

Nothing about that scene conveyed that men were dumb. You are letting you hate and bias color your experience. One side felt it was worth the risk and the other did not. Same as the books. The show certainly could have had a full assembly of the Hall of Servants but I do like how they did the scene to draw parallels to the temptation Rand is given.

It isn't an objectively bad show. It is a decent show which many are because there is more then exceptional and bad. The ratings and reception also indicate that many do like it despite the hatred of a few. Which is why those who don't like the show should just let it go. Just because a person loves the books doesn't mean they should keep hatred for the sake of it.

It is an objectively bad show the things I mentioned have nothing to do with being an adapt. It being an adapt is the only reason they aren't getting called out more.

[Rhlor]

Poor mat they kill his character

[Shadowferal]

Poor mat they kill his character

Wouldn't surprise me. Especially since season 2 will be focused on Moiraine and Lan. Moiraine...who was indeed stilled. Apparently she's going to find herself or some shit.

as for you kissing the show good bye? good for you. but somehow I doubt you will stop complaining about it.

*raises hand*

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Reviews are beginning to trickle in;

So the battle for the Fortress, or what’s known as the “Last Battle”, ends without much aplomb, singlehandedly showing everything wrong with the writing in this series.

So the battle for the Fortress, or what’s known as the “Last Battle”, ends without much aplomb, singlehandedly showing everything wrong with the writing in this series.

Wouldn’t it have been nice for these untrained channellers to actually use their powers 10 minutes earlier and prevent needless deaths from the army? If the army knew that they’d be sending Channellers out, wouldn’t they be the first line of defence? They could have covered them with a volley of arrows from their fortress, keeping the Trollocs at bay while they used their powers.
What’s worse though is that this move completely shatters any threat that the Trollocs and the Dark One poses.
So you’re telling me that one Trolloc in that weird bridge realm is enough to send Moiraine and the others fleeing for their lives but an entire army of 10,000 strong can be taken out with no fanfare by an untrained bunch of magic-wielders? If that’s what untrained women can do, what sort of power do the Aes Sedai have? There’s absolutely no need to worry because based on this episode alone, one of the Aes Sedai should be able to take out 100,000 easy. And therein shatters all tension or threat that our bad guys have. It’s soul-crushingly bad worldbuilding. And this is a show that’s had 90 million dollars put behind it.

But this finale, whether you’re familiar with the book material or not, was horrible. A horrible finale that destroys any threat going forward, undoes some of the light character work done to this point, establishes massive plot armour and shatters any threat the Dark One holds over this land. What a real shame.

[rhorle]

So you’re telling me that one Trolloc in that weird bridge realm is enough to send Moiraine and the others fleeing for their lives but an entire army of 10,000 strong can be taken out with no fanfare by an untrained bunch of magic-wielders? If that’s what untrained women can do, what sort of power do the Aes Sedai have?

They could have watched the show to figure out why channeling was a no-no in the ways (or read the books because a similar situation arises in the same scenes). Half-trained girls end up being some of the most powerful channelers around. The books also suffer from the same themes though so it makes the review amusing. The show is just showing it in different spots then the books and it obviously lacks the ability to draw out the explanation over time. Though I do believe the show has mentioned several times the weakening power of the Aes Sedai.

[Shadowferal]

...and tracking "tells" are a thing.
*chuckles*

[rhorle]

...and tracking "tells" are a thing.
*chuckles*

They actually are. If you can notice how someone is hiding their tracks it can become easier to spot those tracks. Instead of having a on screen drawn out conversation about the specific tracks she is leaving behind they just sum it up with a "tell".

[Biomega]

Half-trained girls end up being some of the most powerful channelers around.

The word "end up" should really be a clue there. But I guess it is fashionable these days to have character arcs be more like character upward lines. Reminds me of Rey in Star Wars, who is instantly the best at everything. Brilliant storytelling.

[rhorle]

The word "end up" should really be a clue there. But I guess it is fashionable these days to have character arcs be more like character upward lines. Reminds me of Rey in Star Wars, who is instantly the best at everything. Brilliant storytelling.

Okay? The two rivers girls were still powerful channelers. It was the block that held one back from instantly being one of the most powerful channelers around in the books. You can hate that type of character development but to say it doesn't already exist in the books is silly. Remember the entire story from start to end takes place over a two year span (998 to 1000). So we see two women go from nobodies to the most powerful in a two year span when most Aes Sadi train for years just to get proficient.

It has nothing to do with being fashionable these days so save that tired argument. It existed in the books way back when they were first started to be written in 1990.

[Biomega]

You can hate that type of character development but to say it doesn't already exist in the books is silly.

First off, I actually don't much care if it's in the book or not, I care if it's good writing or not. Secondly, the book emphasizes time and time again that just being powerful isn't enough - that's why e.g. Lanfear is so high up in the pecking order of the Forsaken despite actually being weaker than a number of male channelers; or why some channelers with less raw power but more dexterity when it comes to weaving outperform much more "powerful" opponents. JUST power isn't enough. You also need training, and experience. To say that it's "just like in the books" that the first season ends with two girls who didn't even know what channeling was yesterday wiping out an army of 10,000 darkspawn is a cop-out of the highest order. It's shit writing, period. Books or no books.

[rhorle]

To say that it's "just like in the books" that the first season ends with two girls who didn't even know what channeling was yesterday wiping out an army of 10,000 darkspawn is a cop-out of the highest order. It's shit writing, period. Books or no books.

Did you even watch the episode or did you just blind yourself with disdain the entire time? They linked. Seeing as you know the books you should understand what that means. The one in control of the link directs all flows of the one power and uses the others essentially as batteries. The women from the Two Rivers didn't wipe anything out. Amalisa Jagad did. The only weaves that happened from the untrained channelers was when Egwene healed Nynaeve.

But hey you don't care about the facts of the show or book. You've already decided it is shit writing and are just filling in the reason with whatever you can think of true or not.

[jdbond]

Okay? The two rivers girls were still powerful channelers. It was the block that held one back from instantly being one of the most powerful channelers around in the books. You can hate that type of character development but to say it doesn't already exist in the books is silly. Remember the entire story from start to end takes place over a two year span (998 to 1000). So we see two women go from nobodies to the most powerful in a two year span when most Aes Sadi train for years just to get proficient.

It has nothing to do with being fashionable these days so save that tired argument. It existed in the books way back when they were first started to be written in 1990.

None of them were powerful channelers. That word is different from being "strong" in one power potentially! None of them could actually channel worth anything! Nynaeve only managed to touch the source in life and death situation! Saying that they are "powerful" is just nonsense.

Again, Egwene was average at best from standard of forsaken or elites. Stop repeating your made up fan fiction. It was tower that fallen so much that Egwene stood out.

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Did you even watch the episode or did you just blind yourself with disdain the entire time? They linked. Seeing as you know the books you should understand what that means. The one in control of the link directs all flows of the one power and uses the others essentially as batteries. The women from the Two Rivers didn't wipe anything out. Amalisa Jagad did. The only weaves that happened from the untrained channelers was when Egwene healed Nynaeve.

But hey you don't care about the facts of the show or book. You've already decided it is shit writing and are just filling in the reason with whatever you can think of true or not.

To link, you need to touch the source! When did Nynaeve learn to do so? And even with "linking". Nynaeve likely carried the team. I doubt all the 4 combined (including Egwene) were her match. All 4. You are claiming that Nynaeve had so much power while Logain had to bring a small army of Ashaman to deal with Trollocs?

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It is a decent show. A lot of the changes made from the show are being made into a big deal by people that clearly don't like the show but still watch, follow, and discuss it anyways. At some point you have to ask yourself why you are holding on to hate instead of simply letting go and moving on. Watching the show just to get angry is silly. Discussing the show just to get angry is silly.

You've had an entire season to see that the show isn't something you like or enjoy. Let it go.

You are correct. Don't worry, we have let go. We will never discuss second season of show. Cheers.

P.S: 2.1K ratings and last episode is solid 6.4 on IMDB. GoT was like 9.5 or something with 20 times more ratings. You won.

[Coniferous]

The books convey that the Hundred Companions were reckless. It was a plan that was rejected before because of risks or flaws. It went ahead anyways and with out any women to help. Don't bring your hatred of women, or whatever it is, into this and claim the books didn't state the same thing.

In the books it was an aggressive plan that worked. In the show it was a plan that they just kind of did for fun that the always omniscient women assumed would fail.

This show is 100% targeted at a female audience. It's super weird because it's based on a series of books that are not, so the plot is a convoluted mess.

Anyone else hate how Moiraine keeps saying things without ever actually explaining anything - the cuendillar thing at the end of this episode, and also the "anyone who goes to the eye of the world will die".

[rhorle]

None of them were powerful channelers. That word is different from being "strong" in one power potentially! None of them could actually channel worth anything! Nynaeve only managed to touch the source in life and death situation! Saying that they are "powerful" is just nonsense.

So doing things, even when you don't consciously know, isn't powerful? It is semantics. They were powerful.

To link, you need to touch the source! When did Nynaeve learn to do so?

Listening to the winds, and the other Wisdom stuff, was touching the power. She learned to do it but had a block in the books that prevented her from doing it at will in most cases. It is why she had her herbs and stuff to act as the focus when the effects always came from her touching the one power. The show has clearly removed the block or had off screen tutelage.

Of course Nynaeve carried the team. It is in the scene. When she is brought into the link you can see Amalisa shocked at the flow of power. You can also see more weaves going into Nynaeve. The show already established that even Logaine was in awe of her power and the books established that she was easily meeting a forsaken 1:1. One of the additional lore stuff ranked her power as 4(+9) with a potential of 3(+10). That is only 3 ranks behind the strongest women channeler known. So both the show and the books have her super strong.

https://wot.fandom.com/wiki/One_Power#Scales_of_Power
https://wot.fandom.com/wiki/Nynaeve_al%27Meara#Strength

You are correct. Don't worry, we have let go. We will never discuss second season of show. Cheers.

And yet here you are. You'll be back for the same reasons why you held on this long despite knowing weeks ago the show wasn't for you.

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In the books it was an aggressive plan that worked. In the show it was a plan that they just kind of did for fun that the always omniscient women assumed would fail.

The women thought it would fail in the books as well. That is literally the entire reason why the split in the Hall of Servants happened. One faction backed the plan of Lews to assault and seal the bore. The other faction backed the plan of Latra to use the Choedan Kal to destroy the Shadow armies and erect a barrier around Shayol Ghul until a safe way to seal the bore could be formulated. The books even indicate that Lews knew his plan had flaws.

You keep trying to blame the show for showing the women as right when it was present in the books all along. It is hilarious how you can't accept the truth of books you claim to be a fan of.

https://wot.fandom.com/wiki/Latra_Posae_Decume

[Shadowferal]

They actually are.

I'm sure you believe that.

"The utterly idiotic scene with Nynaeve telling Lan that he can track Moiraine because she has a "tell" (?!?) was indicative for the overall quality of the episode. Incredibly sloppy all-around, the action was boring. Late seasons GoT was just as bad script-wise but much more spectacular to watch. So much money is invested in these shows and yet one ends up with a feeling that some intern wrote the script on the back of a napkin."

This actually annoyed me a little bit also, I mean wth is a tracking tell? and why if such a thing existed has Lan not noticed it! it was stupid.

Lol and why would Lan need a tell to track Moiraine. Everyone knew where Moiraine was going to go.

The only thing I can think of is she leaves a distinct footprint, but then, they were on horses when she was tracking them. And yes, if she was leaving something Nyn noticed, how has Lan never noticed?

Yeah, this scene is so weird because it goes out of its way to neuter Lan to build up Nynaeve.
Lan is supposed to be this super competent badass. So they have a scene where Nynaeve has to tell him how to track the person he's been attached to at the hip for years on end. And they did it in a super awkward way with a tracking "tell", which isn't even a thing.

[Advo]

I see this definitely canceled after season 2. And the only reason there's going to be a season 2 is because its already in production.

[Witchblade77]

sigh.

they.

did NOT.

KIll

Matt.

they had to recast him and because actor had to pull out suddenly, they had to scramble with rewrites. hence the weirdness of Perin being the one talking to Padan Fain and that whole love triangle drama that comes out of nowhere. seems pretty obvious that Matt was the one who was supposed to stir up trouble as well as confront the peddler, but since they didn't have the actor, they improvised. badly.

but they did already cast a new actor for season 2. Matt is NOT. DEAD.

as for seeing the show portray men in a bad light... are you all projecting your expectations or something? because all they did was give them outward emotions here and there.

the show is far from perfect, but the hatred some of you express for it... that cannot be healthy.

[Shadowferal]

but they did already cast a new actor for season 2. Matt is NOT. DEAD.

Who cares? At this point he's not relevant.

the show is far from perfect, but the hatred some of you express for it... that cannot be healthy.

What's not healthy is a production that thinks your stupid enough to accept it without thought.

Heh... Dragonmount mods seem to be coming around. Apparently this episode may have finally crossed a line.

[rhorle]

I'm sure you believe that.

Have you ever tracked someone? Do you even know what people look for when tracking a person or animal? Tells/signs of their passing. There easily could be something she is forgetting to cover up or when hiding their path with the one power always does something a certain way that can be noticed.

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Who cares? At this point he's not relevant. What's not healthy is a production that thinks your stupid enough to accept it without thought.

Says who? The story of the horn, and dagger, is very much relevant on the show. If he is still tied to it then there is plenty they can do on the show. And if he isn't then they clearly have given him a role in the story since they went through the trouble of recasting.

[Xath]

Have you ever tracked someone? Do you even know what people look for when tracking a person or animal? Tells/signs of their passing. There easily could be something she is forgetting to cover up or when hiding their path with the one power always does something a certain way that can be noticed.

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Says who? The story of the horn, and dagger, is very much relevant on the show. If he is still tied to it then there is plenty they can do on the show. And if he isn't then they clearly have given him a role in the story since they went through the trouble of recasting.

How exactly would Nynaeve have a clue that Moiraine had a tell when prior her and Rand leaving on their own for fuck only knows what reason Lan was the one covering tracks. How exactly would a warder who are specifically trained to cover up tracks not notice an Aes Sedai had a tell and need to be told it and not have already coached it out of her. It's fucking moronic. Stop defending absolute trash if you want to claim the show isn't bad despite it being objectively terrible in terms of filmmaking w/e but don't make up bs to excuse their bs.

It's just more bashing of Lan to empower Nynaeve.

[rhorle]

How exactly would Nynaeve have a clue that Moiraine had a tell when prior her and Rand leaving on their own for fuck only knows what reason Lan was the one covering tracks. How exactly would a warder who are specifically trained to cover up tracks not notice an Aes Sedai had a tell and need to be told it and not have already coached it out of her.

The same reason why the same warder trained to cover their tracks had his tracks found by a simple country woman in the books? But sure get all that anger out and call the show Lan bashing because he failed to hide their tracks when he failed at doing the same thing in the books. It is crazy how the disdain for the show is making a distinction between failing to hide your tracks and failing to hide your tracks. Lmao.