[TV] The Wheel of Time

[Shadowferal]

Trollocs attack the village. But only three farms were attacked. From the first book:

Moiraine;
"Purposeful. The Trollocs did not come to Emond's Field by happenstance, and they did not do what they did for the pleasure of killing and burning, however much that delighted them. They knew what, or rather who, they were after. The Trollocs came to kill or capture young men of a certain age who live near Emond's Field."

"Master Crawe's house was not even damaged," Moiraine said, "and the miller and his family slept through half the attack before the noise awoke them. Ban is ten months older than you, and Lem eight months younger." She smiled dryly at Rand's surprise. "I told you I asked questions. And I also said young men of a certain age. You and your two friends are within weeks of one another. It was you three the Myrddraal sought, and none others."

"In one of you," Moiraine said, "or all three, there is something the Dark One fears."

----

We're done here.

[Kreuger]

Trollocs attack the village. But only three farms were attacked. From the first book:

Moiraine;
"Purposeful. The Trollocs did not come to Emond's Field by happenstance, and they did not do what they did for the pleasure of killing and burning, however much that delighted them. They knew what, or rather who, they were after. The Trollocs came to kill or capture young men of a certain age who live near Emond's Field."

"Master Crawe's house was not even damaged," Moiraine said, "and the miller and his family slept through half the attack before the noise awoke them. Ban is ten months older than you, and Lem eight months younger." She smiled dryly at Rand's surprise. "I told you I asked questions. And I also said young men of a certain age. You and your two friends are within weeks of one another. It was you three the Myrddraal sought, and none others."

"In one of you," Moiraine said, "or all three, there is something the Dark One fears."

----

We're done here.

Sure within the context of the book the wording from the trailer is wrong, but you have to judge it from the show itself and there we are missing the full context to make that claim

Edit: even in the books, in that sequence if she had said: one of you five will be the one to stand against.

Still wouldnt be a lie

[Xath]

Sure within the context of the book the wording from the trailer is wrong, but you have to judge it from the show itself and there we are missing the full context to make that claim

Edit: even in the books, in that sequence if she had said: one of you five will be the one to stand against.

Still wouldnt be a lie

It's a dumb indefensible change much like most of Rafe's work on this show.

[Kreuger]

It's a dumb indefensible change much like most of Rafe's work on this show.

It very well might be, want to see it play out in the show first before I judge

[Log Cabin]

I personally think they are going to fuck with it to the point it becomes utterly unwatchable... that said I enjoy the source enough I am willing to give it a chance I just really, really hope it isn't going to focus heavily on the Aes Sedai... its the vibe i've been getting from the trailer and I always found them to be the weakest part of the story.

[Biomega]

Still wouldnt be a lie

And still would be terrible writing.

Whether or not she outright LIED doesn't matter much. What matters is whether or not it's good writing. And it is not.

[Kreuger]

And still would be terrible writing.

Whether or not she outright LIED doesn't matter much. What matters is whether or not it's good writing. And it is not.

I agree about the writing and have said so before, doesnt make it a lie though.

[Biomega]

I agree about the writing and have said so before, doesnt make it a lie though.

I already said, quite unambiguously, that it DOES NOT REALLY MATTER whether or not it's actually a lie.

[Kreuger]

I already said, quite unambiguously, that it DOES NOT REALLY MATTER whether or not it's actually a lie.

Then we are on the same page. Probably misstook you for shadow regarding the lie part.

[Shadowferal]

Edit: even in the books, in that sequence if she had said: one of you five will be the one to stand against.

"If" means nothing since it wasn't written that way.

[Katchii]

They can speak lies... if they're from the Black Ajah.

Moiraine is not Black Ajah, and if they make it that way that's just another thing they're fucking up.

And a women potentially becoming a Dragon is possible. *hint its one of the Heroes of the Horn*. RJ actually did hint theres female Dragons sometimes. But if they make the TV-series with a female Dragon Reborn, they destroy the series.

Not disagreeing, but the story and the prophecy from the books is that it's a male, that's what Moiraine herself believes. If SHE specifically is insinuating that a woman could become the dragon, she's lying. But as @Kreuger said, if all her words are conveying is that they're fighting against the Dark One and is not necessarily saying they could be the Dragon Reborn, it's not really a lie, just a half truth.

I'm personally not inclined to believe that's what is being insinuated there, but I haven't seen the show yet, so...it could be.

I'm not hopeful they'll be true to the source material at this point, which is disappointing. But again, we'll have to see the show before making a final determination.

[Kreuger]

"If" means nothing since it wasn't written that way.

Ok. Still not a lie in the show

[Xath]

I personally think they are going to fuck with it to the point it becomes utterly unwatchable... that said I enjoy the source enough I am willing to give it a chance I just really, really hope it isn't going to focus heavily on the Aes Sedai... its the vibe i've been getting from the trailer and I always found them to be the weakest part of the story.

If they kill it fast enough maybe Amazon swings the are before season 2 and goes back to the drawing board in 5 years or so.

[Beloren]

Silly change.

It probably swings the dynamic of the story entirely on to the Aes Sedai. Change the prophecy, change the world concept enough. Mess with the dynamic.

It’s a different Wheel of Time story, still close enough. But it will piss off a lot of fans needlessly. Unless they want the rage bait to try and get more viewers because the production was overall weak.

Maybe someone down the line will do a film that would do it justice. Capture the suspense, the mystery, the threat in the way the author distort hat sold millions worldwide

[Smallfruitbat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdrqHNoY9tg

It says outright that the dragon may be a woman. Disappointing change, and in my opinion totally unnecessary.

[Xath]

Yeah that trailer was really bad and made it very clear they are both changing the prophecies and possibly even the dragon with how little rafe respects the original books

[Koriani]

So read a little blurb-article today (sorry at work laptop so I can't link the story itself!) - where the director (or maybe it was a producer) was talking about how it will be a 'refreshing change' because there are going to be more naked men shown than women. They were comparing it to the 'soft porn' level of GoT (their phrase not mine) nudity and how this one will be 'nice change for the women' (was a woman saying this, director, producer, someone) because it will be the men walking around being displayed instead.

Um. Ok.

Throwing out how that's not really progressive or anything, nor that 'showing naked men' is somehow better or improved on 'naked women' - and I'm *guessing* its because of the "more Feminist" (or Matriarchal) stance of the world in the books that they are including this in the "story" at ALL; as I don't remember reading about scantily clad nude male prostitutes in all that Jordan exposition (Nyneave pulling her braid for 234722 times but not /that/ lol)

All I could think was, "...and none of this matters to the story at all.."

So we get three paragraphs in an article about the show -that only talks about how its also going to be soft-porn. (if you consider GoT soft porn I guess)

I wasn't so concerned about all the 'female dragon' phrasing because I'm ok waiting to see how it plays out. (to see how much this is a thing or if its corrected within the first episode and that's the end of it, whatever,).

But This - this actually makes me more concerned. Just for the whole purpose of the show and the purpose of them going with this IP. About them perhaps wanting more of a GoT clone than anything else and thus the entire idea of this show being 'book based' is under a bigger ???? for myself.

Just... weird article. Weird thing to bring up. Weird thing to 'flaunt' or 'spin' as a positive. Weird way of doing that. Just... huh? why talk about this at all?

Just...odd. :/

[Kreuger]

So read a little blurb-article today (sorry at work laptop so I can't link the story itself!) - where the director (or maybe it was a producer) was talking about how it will be a 'refreshing change' because there are going to be more naked men shown than women. They were comparing it to the 'soft porn' level of GoT (their phrase not mine) nudity and how this one will be 'nice change for the women' (was a woman saying this, director, producer, someone) because it will be the men walking around being displayed instead.

Um. Ok.

Throwing out how that's not really progressive or anything, nor that 'showing naked men' is somehow better or improved on 'naked women' - and I'm *guessing* its because of the "more Feminist" (or Matriarchal) stance of the world in the books that they are including this in the "story" at ALL; as I don't remember reading about scantily clad nude male prostitutes in all that Jordan exposition (Nyneave pulling her braid for 234722 times but not /that/ lol)

All I could think was, "...and none of this matters to the story at all.."

So we get three paragraphs in an article about the show -that only talks about how its also going to be soft-porn. (if you consider GoT soft porn I guess)

I wasn't so concerned about all the 'female dragon' phrasing because I'm ok waiting to see how it plays out. (to see how much this is a thing or if its corrected within the first episode and that's the end of it, whatever,).

But This - this actually makes me more concerned. Just for the whole purpose of the show and the purpose of them going with this IP. About them perhaps wanting more of a GoT clone than anything else and thus the entire idea of this show being 'book based' is under a bigger ???? for myself.

Just... weird article. Weird thing to bring up. Weird thing to 'flaunt' or 'spin' as a positive. Weird way of doing that. Just... huh? why talk about this at all?

Just...odd. :/

If you could find the article it would be interessting to read.

- - - Updated - - -

Another teaser dropped today aswell

https://twitter.com/thewheeloftime/s...778206208?s=21

[bledgor]

Man, I was really hyped for this when they initially released they were doing it, but every bit of news/trailers since then has really pulled the rug out from my enthusiasm. Again and again every adaptation I ask why directors/screen writers feel the need to change so many things from the source, I really don't give a shit about your message/story, I am interested in the film adaption because of the authors original message/story.

[Grimbold21]

So read a little blurb-article today (sorry at work laptop so I can't link the story itself!) - where the director (or maybe it was a producer) was talking about how it will be a 'refreshing change' because there are going to be more naked men shown than women. They were comparing it to the 'soft porn' level of GoT (their phrase not mine) nudity and how this one will be 'nice change for the women' (was a woman saying this, director, producer, someone) because it will be the men walking around being displayed instead.

Um. Ok.

Throwing out how that's not really progressive or anything, nor that 'showing naked men' is somehow better or improved on 'naked women' - and I'm *guessing* its because of the "more Feminist" (or Matriarchal) stance of the world in the books that they are including this in the "story" at ALL; as I don't remember reading about scantily clad nude male prostitutes in all that Jordan exposition (Nyneave pulling her braid for 234722 times but not /that/ lol)

All I could think was, "...and none of this matters to the story at all.."

So we get three paragraphs in an article about the show -that only talks about how its also going to be soft-porn. (if you consider GoT soft porn I guess)

I wasn't so concerned about all the 'female dragon' phrasing because I'm ok waiting to see how it plays out. (to see how much this is a thing or if its corrected within the first episode and that's the end of it, whatever,).

But This - this actually makes me more concerned. Just for the whole purpose of the show and the purpose of them going with this IP. About them perhaps wanting more of a GoT clone than anything else and thus the entire idea of this show being 'book based' is under a bigger ???? for myself.

Just... weird article. Weird thing to bring up. Weird thing to 'flaunt' or 'spin' as a positive. Weird way of doing that. Just... huh? why talk about this at all?

Just...odd. :/

I know it's not on LOTR levels, but is there even any nudity or explicit sexual descriptions in the WoT books? All that comes to mind right now is a vague recolection of Perrin describing his gf/wife's fierce nature in bed.

Edit: Oh and of course Rand's women chasing after him, and feeling in them when the others are having sex and all that.

Also, this whole "time to see men naked now" is just the recycling of the garbage about "it's just not the same when it's men". They must've forgotten that GoT starts out, on the very first episode, with the Stark boys being clean shaved and having their six packs shown on screen. I supposed they also forgot that behind Daenerys, there's a big buffed dude ramming away, but it doesn't matter cause...... boobs? Christ...

There's just no pleasing this crowd. Here's arguably one of the most progressive pieces of fantasy - in the sense that the scales of power are reversed - and what do they do? Let's make it even MORE "progressive". What a bunch of insipid, hypocritical fools.