The Wrecking-Ball-Class for Casual PVP?

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hey everbody,

i just wanted to ask you , what is the most wrecking-ball-class in your opinion for casual bg's, world pvp and rbg's ?
it seems that dk's, rets and maybe boomies will faceroll every other class at the moment.

what do you guys think?

so far,

turtle_

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I don't see how this top could go wrong...

Well rets and frost DKs seem strong in those scenarios, but only if they can get into the vicinity of the target.
But on the other hand;
They feel relatively useless in big zergfests like AV or IoC.

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Playing a Ret myself, I was confused how easy it is do wreck your opponent and be at the top of damage meter in a battleground.

Definetly a lil bit facerolling

[Felfaadaern Darkterror]

I'm having more fun on my prot pally in PvP than I have in previous expansions, and feeling more effective. But what do I know, I'm clueless in PvP.

[Christonya]

FDK. Terrible spec, but vs terrible players, it does great things. And is easy af to play.

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FDK. Terrible spec, but vs terrible players, it does great things. And is easy af to play.

but Frost-DK's are one of the most used specs in rbg? why is it so bad in casual bg's?

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Boomkins are not really facerolling, its rather that just like destro warlock or elemental shaman they can blow up other people very nastily if they stay behind enemy lines in turret mode. However I think that boomkin is still decent even when a melee is on him due to high armor, shapeshifting (bear form is really useful with guardian afinity), good mobility and a good amount of instant spells+instant procs. Elemental is actually decent also in 1vs1, you need to really use your shocks as much as possible and pick the root talent.

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I don't see how this top could go wrong...

Well rets and frost DKs seem strong in those scenarios, but only if they can get into the vicinity of the target.
But on the other hand;
They feel relatively useless in big zergfests like AV or IoC.

Sindragosa fury in AV is pretty strong. And deathgripping someone to have 20 allies jump on the poor enemy like a pack of wolves is pretty fun

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Play frost mage, good defences with shields and block. Mobility atm is good with 2x blink and ice flows (until patch 7.1.5). Kiting with freezes and slows, good cc with sheep. The damage they do with shatter increase damage boost is insane and swapping target with glacials is killer. Only thing they lack is a knock back but that would be to good.

Still wanting to try arcane mage but really love frost mage to much to make the swap. Played frost mage as my first class 10 years ago and played it since end bc. Played resto druid on high end pve since then until start legion to play frost mage again as casual. I just love it to much, I don't even know why I played pve resto druid for so long.

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yeah but i dont like being a caster.. the only one i tried was a dotlock back in vanilla and an elemental shaman in legion.. but meh... :/

[Cempa]

1) Retr / Havoc / FDK / Arms (/w Healer)
2) WW / Arms (/wo healer) / Feral / Enh / UDK
3) Mage / Boomi
4) Shadow / Warlock
5) Ele (has the damage but becomes of 0 use with a melee on it)
6) Huntard

On a completely different list of ONE: (list name is GODS):

Rogue

NOTICE: All the top builds are melee ...

[Saverem]

I don't see how this top could go wrong...

Well rets and frost DKs seem strong in those scenarios, but only if they can get into the vicinity of the target.
But on the other hand;
They feel relatively useless in big zergfests like AV or IoC.

If you play a melee (especially a Horde one) and don't have IoC and AV blacklisted, then you're doing it wrong.

[Snegovik]

Ret, mage, bm or mm in my opinion as a ret main. In 7.1.5 dh are getting juicy PvP buffs I think they will be bad ass

[Christonya]

but Frost-DK's are one of the most used specs in rbg? why is it so bad in casual bg's?

It's incredibly easy to shut down. FDK despite popular belief is not the best spec in pvp right now, it's simply the easiest for the pay off. I would pick ret over fdk if I hadn't mained UH DK since wrath beta.

[Sin Cara]

If you're doing casual BGs, survival is probably one of the best specs if you're decent.

[Raiju]

Agree with havoc. The spec dies against coordinated teams but in random bg's it destroys.... everyone. I usually find as havoc there's no point in me even going for objectives (despite loving to focus on them) as I'm better off wiping out the enemy team while the larger free portion of my team can go do objectives.

I'm not sure the dh buffs in 7.1.5 will really benefit this, but they are getting buffs more focused at organized pvp.

Ret is also solid, for similar reasons. You can wipe out groups of disorganized players at once.

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1) Retr / Havoc / FDK / Arms (/w Healer)
2) WW / Arms (/wo healer) / Feral / Enh / UDK
3) Mage / Boomi
4) Shadow / Warlock
5) Ele (has the damage but becomes of 0 use with a melee on it)
6) Huntard

On a completely different list of ONE: (list name is GODS):

Rogue

NOTICE: All the top builds are melee ...

BS i`m just fine with my MM Hunter in casual Random BGs, If something did not kill me in 3-5 seconds then he get in really bad situation especially if i`m lucky with marking procs(`m not using Sidewiders for PvP)
Retry is my favorite melee for big BGs

[Tyrannica]

1) WW / Retri / Boomi
2) DH / FDK / Arms (/w Healer)/ Prot (/wo healer) /Enh / UDK / Feral
3) Mage
4) Shadow / Warlock / Ele (has the damage but becomes of 0 use with a melee on it all 3 specs)
5) Huntard
6) ???

On a completely different list of ONE: (list name is useless):

Rogue

Corrected it for you.

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Ret, mage, bm or mm in my opinion as a ret main. In 7.1.5 dh are getting juicy PvP buffs I think they will be bad ass

Which ones do you consider juicy pvp buffs on the DH in 7.1.5.? So far i hear only complaints of the DH com.

I consider to mount one in the near future, think pvp templates plays in their favor, making them more and more durable(squishy in beta) whenever more burst nerfs of other classes are rolling in - but the DH speed stays.

Only 2 specs is a bit lame, though.

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It's incredibly easy to shut down. FDK despite popular belief is not the best spec in pvp right now, it's simply the easiest for the pay off. I would pick ret over fdk if I hadn't mained UH DK since wrath beta.

Just from a game design point of view, ignoring the current meta:

FDK were never meant as pvp spec, it was always a pve spec and stays as such.

Uh is the pvp spec, just made garbage right now.

currently there are too many pve specs along with their pve rotations dominating arenas, its terrible.

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but Frost-DK's are one of the most used specs in rbg? why is it so bad in casual bg's?

Well thats easy to answer.

1. Massive bgs are not availible in rbgs(AV and IoC) so no 40vs40 games - in such scenarios range dds simply dominate the meta.

2. Rbgs have at all times at least 3 designated healers with them. In normal bgs, you might have only bots or leechers.

[Snegovik]

@Tyrannica
Well new Pve talent tree is better for PvP than live also netherwalk is huge for dh survival, we get flat 10% dmg buff as well as 2 min meta CD or 8% mana and hp burn, both are huge. As well as mana break buff 20% base hp + additional hp up to 70% dep on mana missing. Our reign from above removes stuns which is nice for 1v1 or wpvp . Over all I think dh will be in tier 1 comp unless they get nerfed. Pve folk on ptr also post that st dmg is considerably higher than on live

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If you play a melee (especially a Horde one) and don't have IoC and AV blacklisted, then you're doing it wrong.

Well... i'm alliance and i do blacklist AV

IoC seems ok, as long you don't run into russians, who tend to extend the games as much they can

[Saverem]

Well... i'm alliance and i do blacklist AV

IoC seems ok, as long you don't run into russians, who tend to extend the games as much they can

AV and IoC is much better for alliance since their win rate is like 90%.