House Republicans release ObamaCare replacement bill

[Bodakane]

Because the majority of jobs are in small businesses. And you don't really call the guy owning the grocery down the street "rich"
"Small businesses provide 55% of all jobs and 66% of all net new jobs since the 1970s" Source

You're basically arguing business health is more important a person's health.

[Tinykong]

So if the business is so small and so poor that it can't provide its employees health insurance... How exactly are you expecting said employees to afford their own insurance?

I'll never understand the logic behind sympathizing with the "poor small business owner."

If your business isn't making money, and you can't afford to pay your employees a fair wage and provide them with adequate benefits, then perhaps you should close it.

[Fugus]

I'll never understand the logic behind sympathizing with the "poor small business owner."

If your business isn't making money, and you can't afford to pay your employees a fair wage and provide them with adequate benefits, then perhaps you should close it.

Also, correct me if I am wrong because I haven't had a chance to verify this fact, I have heard that the requirements to the businesses don't start up until you are employing 50 people or more at which point I really wouldn't consider them a "Small business" at that point.

Also, if everyone is required to do it anyways, you don't really lose any competitive edge against the others.

[Mayhem]

If you want the medicine, then pay for it. You arent entitled to anything just because you exist. Buy prescription insurance or go buy it in Mexico where its cheap and no prescription is needed, or import it from Canada

Ever heard of unalienable rights?

[Breccia]

I have heard that the requirements to the businesses don't start up until you are employing 50 people

That's when mandating insurance began, yes. That's still pretty small, in the grand scheme of things.

[Healing Rain]

The requirements on businesses is completely unnecessary. Other than construction companies I don't see why employers would need to provide health coverage for their employees.

[Kokolums]

I don't know if its been said in here (not reading 28 pages) but here is how legislation works in the United States Congress.

1. The House presents a bill.
2. The Senate presents a completely different version of the same bill.
3. They both pass different versions.
4. Now it goes into the reconciliation process where ideas get thrown out and new ones added.
5. Then it passes congress.
6. Now it goes to the President who may veto.

We're at step 1. We don't really know what we're getting.

[d00mGuArD]

You're basically arguing business health is more important a person's health.

I did not argue about anything. I was replying to the guy that asked why they are called "Job Makers" and they are not called "Rich"
and my answer was that most "job makers" are small business and not rich people. With a source.

[Bodakane]

I did not argue about anything. I was replying to the guy that asked why they are called "Job Makers" and they are not called "Rich"
and my answer was that most "job makers" are small business and not rich people. With a source.

That's fair. I completely misinterpreted your post. I apologize.

[Spriggs]

Vox just put out a video on the health care bill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4dNH-Nb2Ow

[breadisfunny]

The requirements on businesses is completely unnecessary. Other than construction companies I don't see why employers would need to provide health coverage for their employees.

because it leads to healthier more productive employees?

[Orlong]

Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States.

Pretty clear cut to me.

Which, by the way, "welfare" in this context is "the health, happiness, and fortunes of a person or group."

General welfare as was understood when that was written didnt mean a monetary handout for poor and lazy people, it was a general term meant to describe a safe and secure condition for the citizens of the nation. Which is why it was mentioned along with defense.

It didnt say government shlal have the power to tax people who work and give the money to those who dont work enough so that they may have a comfortable life

[Bodakane]

General welfare as was understood when that was written didnt mean a monetary handout for poor and lazy people, it was a general term meant to describe a safe and secure condition for the citizens of the nation.

Which is precisely what Annoying said. He specifically defined welfare so you wouldn't think he meant the Welfare System. Of course you failed at that.

Your job is to now explain how medical services doesn't coincide with "a safe and secure condition for the citizens of the nation".

[Annoying]

The requirements on businesses is completely unnecessary. Other than construction companies I don't see why employers would need to provide health coverage for their employees.

It was a relic of post WW2 employee shortages. Companies started pooling together money for health costs, and used that as an incentive to entice employees to join the company. Then healthcare started getting expensive and independent insurance companies popped up that allowed larger amounts of people in the pools to balance it out. Then those companies lobbied to make it mandatory that insurance companies be independent from the companies that used to offer their own insurance.

Thus the situation we're in now.

[Orlong]

Which is precisely what Annoying said. He specifically defined welfare so you wouldn't think he meant the Welfare System. Of course you failed at that.

Your job is to now explain how medical services doesn't coincide with "a safe and secure condition for the citizens of the nation".

I wasnt talking about individual citizens but the citizens as a collective. No because the way that the safe and secure nation is achieved is through defense which is why the actual clause is:

Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States.

Nothing about individual citizens is even mentioned

[Deleted]

I love the name it was given.
H.R1275 Worlds greatest healthcare Plan of 2017.

Sounds like something from Tropico that Penultimo would call a edict.

[LaserSharkDFB]

I love the name it was given.
H.R1275 Worlds greatest healthcare Plan of 2017.

Sounds like something from Tropico that Penultimo would call a edict.

I was just about to mention this. That's clearly Trump's personal (and only) contribution to the bill. "All right, I'll sign it, but we call it the Trumpapalooza Tremendous Really Amazing World's Greatest Healthcare Plan of 2017." "Mr. President, that's completely retar- I mean, too long." "All right, just the World's Greatest, then."

[Annoying]

I love the name it was given.
H.R1275 Worlds greatest healthcare Plan of 2017.

Sounds like something from Tropico that Penultimo would call a edict.

That's an entirely different bill AFAIK.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/...source=copyurl

[Zan15]

But the difference is I choose to pay for insurance, and Im only chipping in with other people who also chose to buy insurance. Im not paying for people who paid nothing into the pot and only take from it, nor am I aying to support people who bought insurance through another company

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Because taxes arent supposed to be used for healthcare. They are supposed to be used for national defense, infrastructure, and law enforcement

No matter how many times you say it, it won't make it true.
Taxes can be used for the general welfare of the united states. this includes keeping its citizens healthy which will help protect the country.

General welfare as was understood when that was written didnt mean a monetary handout for poor and lazy people, it was a general term meant to describe a safe and secure condition for the citizens of the nation. Which is why it was mentioned along with defense.

It didnt say government shlal have the power to tax people who work and give the money to those who dont work enough so that they may have a comfortable life

it never said the govt can tax people for roads either. Or education. Or medicare. Or social security. Or EPA. Or FDA. etc etc etc

that is general welfare of the united states. The united states not being a separate entity, but the people whom make up the united states.

[Rasulis]

Under the proposed new law, the health insurance (Silver or better) monthly premium for a couple (60 years or older) will be the same as the mortgage payment on a $600,000 loan (30 year) at 3.5% interest rate. At least till they reach 65 when they qualify for Medical. Mind boggling.