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Raid tiers in the last 5 years have had an average of 15 raid bosses per tier. However the latest tier, T20, is 40% below average, with only 9 raid bosses.
T20 - 9 bosses
T19 - 20 bosses
T18 - 13 bosses
T17 - 17 bosses
T16 - 14 bosses
T15 - 12 bosses
T14 - 16 bosses
And this trend seems to be continuing with T21 which is only offering a pitiful 11 raid bosses. Which should be very alarming for any raider out there.
What is the reason for the sudden reduction in raid content? What is Blizzard planning to do to rectify this situation?
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2017-09-12, 10:45 AM #1Pandaren Monk
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Why does T20 only have 9 bosses?
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2017-09-12, 10:49 AM #2Herald of the Titans
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2017-09-12, 10:53 AM #3DeletedBecause they were really lazy
Originally Posted by styil
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2017-09-12, 10:54 AM #4Stood in the Fire
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Maybe you should also complain T19 had too many ...
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2017-09-12, 10:54 AM #5Deleted
wat ?
ToS - 9 bosses (t-20)
Nighthold - 10 bosses (t-19)
ToV - 3 bosses (t-18.6... kinda)
Emerald Nightmare - 7 bosses (t-18.5)
HFC - 13 bosses - (t-18)
BRF - 10 bosses - (t-17)
Highmaul - 7 bosses (t-16.5)
SOO - 14 bosses - (t-16)
ToT - 12(13) bosses - (t-15)
HoF, ToES - 10 bosses - (t-14)
Mogu'shan Vaults - 6 bosses - (t-13.5)
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2017-09-12, 10:54 AM #6Scarab Lord
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I'd rather they NOT crap out poorly designed, poorly tuned filler raids like Trial of Valor just to up boss count, TYVM.
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2017-09-12, 10:55 AM #7DeletedRaid tiers is a player made concept. Ion talked about this some time ago. TOS is just a raid, like emerald nightmare, only it has tier gear. Originally Posted by styil
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2017-09-12, 10:56 AM #8Please wait
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wat ? Originally Posted by Zendhal
ToS - 9 bosses (t-20)
Nighthold - 10 bosses (t-19)
ToV - 3 bosses (t-19)
Emerald Nightmare - 7 bosses (t-19)
HFC - 13 bosses - (t-18)
BRF - 10 bosses - (t-17)
Highmaul - 7 bosses (t-17)
SOO - 14 bosses - (t-16)
ToT - 12(13) bosses - (t-15)
HoF, ToES - 10 bosses - (t-14)
Mogu'shan Vaults - 6 bosses - (t-4)
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2017-09-12, 10:56 AM #9Deleted20 bosses ? Originally Posted by styil
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2017-09-12, 10:56 AM #10DeletedYou need to try harder. Your bitterness is showing Originally Posted by Anduin Menethil
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2017-09-12, 10:57 AM #11Scarab Lord
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It's because they're counting EN (7 bosses), NH (10 bosses) and TOV (3 bosses) as all the same tier. Item levels put a lie to this, but that doesn't fit the narrative being presented. Originally Posted by M2t
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2017-09-12, 10:58 AM #12Mechagnome
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The dude is like the stalking ex girlfriend/boyfriend that end committing suicide, i see him in every qq about wow threat Originally Posted by Nupomaniac
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2017-09-12, 11:00 AM #13Deletedsince when ToV, EN, Highmaul and Mogu'shan drop tier pieces ??? Enlighten me please. Originally Posted by Mehman
They were introductionary raids, NOT tier raids
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2017-09-12, 11:00 AM #14Epic!
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Really?
How do you know we won't get more bosses in T20 in another patch?
You don't.
Even if it will only be 9. I'm pretty happy there's more world content instead.
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2017-09-12, 11:02 AM #15DeletedItemlevels don't make a new tier. They recently started delaying the raids in the first raid tier of the expansion. Of course they are giving them higher itemlevels then cause anything else would be stupid. It's still one tier, just split up. Else Emerald Nightmare would be a pretty pathetic raid tier. Just like Highmaul in WoD. Originally Posted by Lumineus
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Uhm... Tier 20 is over. Tier 21 is Antorus. Pay attention. Originally Posted by Raqubor
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2017-09-12, 11:04 AM #16Mechagnome
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I think 9 is fine, anything around 10 is fine tbh. You can't compare tier 19 and tier 20 in my opinion cause t19 is 3 different raids.
We are still not done with mythic, only 48 guilds killed the last boss.
The last time we had post launch dungeons was Cata where FL and DS had respectively 7 and 8 bosses. I think thats one of the reason we have fewer bosses now.
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2017-09-12, 11:05 AM #17Epic!
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You're right, my opinion is still the same. IDGAF as long as there is other good content. Originally Posted by Anduin Menethil
(quests, reps, stories, grinds)
I should really move back to an RP server so I can add RP to the list.
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2017-09-12, 11:10 AM #18Bloodsail Admiral
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T12 had 7 bosses and T13 had 8 bosses. So what's your point? Yes cata was 2011 mainly but the amount of bosses to an instance is dependant on the lore of the raid we are attacking. No point in putting in a bugger load of bosses "because quantity matters"..... I'd rather have quality bosses that represent the LORE.
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2017-09-12, 11:12 AM #19Deleted3 smaller raids that all make up one tier. Originally Posted by Deliverer
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They are also considered the shittiest tiers we ever had. Is that what Tomb of Sargeras was striving for? Originally Posted by un_known
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2017-09-12, 11:15 AM #20Dreadlord
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Raids shouldn't be rated based on the number of bosses but the quality of each fight. ToS problem is the overall bad and repetitive design of mechanics like soaking on every fight. For example, Firelands had 7 bosses only and is considered one of the best raids because each fight was unique and different from the others.
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