Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Crispin]

Trumps tweets on climate change ranges from “lol wheres global warming? Im freezing!” To different answers to the same question, ergo he’s an idiot and youre a tool for believing that you know wtf he means.

And dont get me started on “Thoose little green men are local civilians” shalcker. Noone gives a flying fuck about your BS posts.

[Dontrike]

"Trump is an idiot" lacks predictive power.

Oh yeah, because he's been so smart up until now. We should go through the list of smart things he's done.

1. ..............

198. ...........

Wow, look at all of those. Now let's go through the list of stupid things.

1. Tax cuts.
2. Trade war.
3. Tariffs.
4. Tiny Trump's in office.
5. Looking at a solar eclipse.
6. Not knowing Puerto Rico is part of the U.S.
7. Legalizing exotic animal trophies.
8. The wall.
9. Making America pay for the wall.
10. Trying to take money from others to get the wall.
11. Shutting down the government for the wall.
12. Shutting down the government
13+x. Shutting down the government for X (32) days.
~14. Trying to destroy healthcare.
15. Not having anything to replace healthcare, like he said.
16. Breaking emoluments clauses.
17. Telling his followers to attack others.
18. Liking Nazis.
19. Supporting a pedophile.

Should I go on or is this amount good enough?

[rda]

So team Russia wants us to think that the guy who believes the human heart is pre-installed with a finite number of heartbeats that exercise 'uses up', has a nuanced and reasonable (albeit wrong) opinion of climate change instead of just believing what he tweets (JYNA MADE IT UP)?

Trump's tweets on global warming are in full view. He agrees that global warming is happening, etc. That you for some reason still believe that he thinks otherwise is on you and you alone. You are free to believe whatever and construct whatever theories you want. And no, he is not wrong.

[Shalcker]

Oh yeah, because he's been so smart up until now. We should go through the list of smart things he's done.

Using DoD engineering funds for his wall project, for example. Continuing restrictions on migration, clamping down on various abuses of the system.

Wow, look at all of those. Now let's go through the list of stupid things.
1. Tax cuts.

OMG, Trump cut his own taxes!! So Stupid! /s

...wait, did you actually believe he had done it for public benefit?

2. Trade war.
3. Tariffs.

Trump believes that one of the ways to get companies build in America and bring jobs backs is to increase costs of outsourcing to other countries... so stupid! No economist had said that ever! /s

4. Tiny Trump's in office.

That's vanity, not stupidity.

5. Looking at a solar eclipse.

Except he looked at actual eclipse through goggles like everyone else...

6. Not knowing Puerto Rico is part of the U.S.

As far as i see it is territory governed by US; it isn't part of US (even though they count as US citizens they cannot vote for US president except in primaries).

7. Legalizing exotic animal trophies.

Nepotism for his kids who like that stuff, not idiocy.

8. The wall.

Vanity again.

9. Making America pay for the wall.
10. Trying to take money from others to get the wall.
11. Shutting down the government for the wall.
12. Shutting down the government
13+x. Shutting down the government for X (32) days.

Again, not idiocy, that's just politics.

~14. Trying to destroy healthcare.
15. Not having anything to replace healthcare, like he said.

That is just toeing Republican line on ACA.

16. Breaking emoluments clauses.

Did he or is he going to get prosecuted for it? Can't really tell if it was or wasn't idiotic until i can see outcome.

17. Telling his followers to attack others.

Dangerous, not stupid.

18. Liking Nazis.

He never did that though.

19. Supporting a pedophile.

That's bipartisan.

Should I go on or is this amount good enough?

Somehow you think nepotism, vanity, and self-serving actions are idiotic...

Are you model Christian and think those who indulge in them will be condemned to eternity in Hell or what?

[Dontrike]

OMG, Trump cut his own taxes!! So Stupid! /s

...wait, did you actually believe he had done it for public benefit?

So you're agreeing it was stupid for him to do that, cool.

Trump believes that one of the ways to get companies build in America and bring jobs backs is to increase costs of outsourcing to other countries... so stupid! No economist had said that ever! /s

Aw, look at you with your sarcasm rather than any real rebuttal. 0/2 for you so far.

That's vanity, not stupidity.

Sounds like both. 0/3

Except he looked at actual eclipse through goggles like everyone else...

Might want to check moments before it.

As far as i see it is territory governed by US; it isn't part of US (even though they count as US citizens they cannot vote for US president except in primaries).

It's a U.S. territory. What do you think that means? The U.S. doesn't have a lease on it. Fuck you're smart.

Nepotism for his kids who like that stuff, not idiocy.

Oh yeah, 'cause they've done so much like....and...also...and then there's.....and don't forget....

Vanity again.

Why do you believe vanity and idiocy are exclusive?

Again, not idiocy, that's just politics.

Tell that to those that were missing paychecks while Trump shut down the government for his "vanity". You have literally shit over your own argument.

That is just toeing Republican line on ACA.

So far you've yet to actual say why anything isn't stupid just that it is also something. Getting rid of healthcare with no replacement would be fucking idiotic.

Did he or is he going to get prosecuted for it? Can't really tell if it was or wasn't idiotic until i can see outcome.

Ah yes, because it's super smart to break those. Are you trying?

Dangerous, not stupid.

How is it not stupid for a president to do that?

He never did that though.

Yeah he did.

That's bipartisan.

Supporting pedophilia is bipartisan? How the fuck is that?

Somehow you think nepotism, vanity, and self-serving actions are idiotic...

You argued no actual point how something is not stupid, just that it could be something else in addition to being idiotic. Yay for you, you suck at this!

Are you model Christian and think those who indulge in them will be condemned to eternity in Hell or what?

First, religion is fucking stupid and those that do that are in fact as well stupid. Second, talking religion is against the forum rules, try again.

[Shalcker]

So you're agreeing it was stupid for him to do that, cool.

No.

Aw, look at you with your sarcasm rather than any real rebuttal. 0/2 for you so far.

Why do you think it is idiotic, exactly?

Under what reasoning and assumptions are those actions not something smart person would do?

[Adam Jensen]

That's not saying that climate change is not happening, not sure how that makes me wrong, yet alone for the eleventieth time. See above.

Gold metal in gymnastics with twisting like that.

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"Trump is an idiot" lacks predictive power.

No it doesn't.

"Trump will do the stupidest and most corrupt thing possible" has been a true prediction since 2015, for literally everything he's done.

[Felya]

Under what reasoning and assumptions are those actions not something smart person would do?

Unemployment is currently under what is considered full employment in US. The jobs he is aiming at getting, have suicide nets in China, because so many jumped out of windows. Increasing cost of products through tariffs will increase the cost of goods on everyone. Now, you might not consider fighting for jobs that people kill them selfs doing, at a time when there are not enough workers to do said jobs, while increasing costs on general public, as something other than stupid. But, that’s just a reflection of your intelligence.

[Shalcker]

No it doesn't.

"Trump will do the stupidest and most corrupt thing possible" has been a true prediction since 2015, for literally everything he's done.

Noone disputes "corrupt" though.

But "stupid" is understating his actual impact; plenty of policies of his administration work exactly as intended. You might disagree with their goals, but they do work.

[Felya]

But "stupid" is understating his actual impact; plenty of policies of his administration work exactly as intended. You might disagree with their goals, but they do work.

Which goals? The stated goals or secret self serving goals, you infer as his intent?

[Dontrike]

Noone disputes "corrupt" though.

But "stupid" is understating his actual impact; plenty of policies of his administration work exactly as intended. You might disagree with their goals, but they do work.

And yet you've stated none of those policies.

[Felya]

And yet you've stated none of those policies.

When the assumption is these plans having secret, unstated goals. You can literally just make anything up and claim it was his covert intent. It’s also claiming all Trump action is a conspiracy, which I believe is against forum rules.

[Shalcker]

And yet you've stated none of those policies.

You have shown no reasoning as to why decisions you listed are idiotic.

Try starting from that.

[Dontrike]

When the assumption is these plans having secret, unstated goals. You can literally just make anything up and claim it was his covert intent. It’s also claiming all Trump action is a conspiracy, which I believe is against forum rules.

I bet there are unstated goals by those surrounding Trump, but as for Trump himself he keeps near nothing secret.

[Felya]

You have shown no reasoning as to why decisions you listed are idiotic.

Try starting from that.

He might have skipped it, because I covered it. If the boundaries of Trump’s intelligence being reflected through his actions, are limited by one’s imagination of Trump’s covert self serving intent... then that’s a reflection of your imagination, not his intent.

Like when you said Trump lowered his own taxes. By all indications, Trump didn’t pay any taxes. Celebrating saving 15% of 0 is stupid... that’s objectively stupid.

[Dontrike]

You have shown no reasoning as to why decisions you listed are idiotic.

Try starting from that.

If you need it explained to you then there's no point. It's common sense at this point why shutting down the government for over a month, keeping paychecks from government employees, while your president tells them to get grocery stores to work out a deal with them, get another job, or sell shit, because of a vanity project, as you stated.

If you think that is smart in any way then there's no convincing you. Perhaps take more than two seconds as why what I listed, and more I didn't, as why they are stupid rather than shilling once again.

[rda]

Can we just stop replying to Russians that claim they don't care about Trump or defending him but spend most of their time doing exactly that?

The fact anyone is trying to argue over what Trump "actually meant" with his ridiculous Chinese hoax tweets boggles the mind. Just leave it. Let them get tired of being ignored. At least in this thread... they'll still pop up regularly in other Trump-related threads to misdirect, misinform, twist facts and defend.

You know what, I am starting to report posts like this that contribute nothing and just accuse me of all sins because you cannot defend your point of view but still want to push it. If you have nothing to say on topic, just keep silent. These posts full of vitriolic rhetoric towards others have to stop.

[Dontrike]

You know what, I am starting to report posts like this that contribute nothing and just accuse me of all sins because you cannot defend your point of view but still want to push it. If you have nothing to say on topic, just keep silent. These posts full of vitriolic rhetoric towards others have to stop.

Because you saying "what he meant was" to a public tweet of his is somehow vitriolic when you are called out on it?

Oh sorry, this is vitriolic because I'm responding to you.

[Adam Jensen]

Noone disputes "corrupt" though.

But "stupid" is understating his actual impact; plenty of policies of his administration work exactly as intended. You might disagree with their goals, but they do work.

Really?

His "anti-immigration" policies have so far only made things worse. His desire for a wall has not come through and if it had, it's an ineffective way to handle immigration anyways. He's even said that we "need an actual border not more judges" in response to the lack of immigration judges, which we badly need to meet the number of asylum seekers.

His tariffs are a self inflicted wound, harming Americans more than the Chinese.

He even sucks at being an autocrat, which is literally the only saving grace for this administration.

[Skroe]

Can we just stop replying to Russians that claim they don't care about Trump or defending him but spend most of their time doing exactly that?

The fact anyone is trying to argue over what Trump "actually meant" with his ridiculous Chinese hoax tweets boggles the mind. Just leave it. Let them get tired of being ignored. At least in this thread... they'll still pop up regularly in other Trump-related threads to misdirect, misinform, twist facts and defend.

Folks should just follow my signature and throw them into a black hole. In a few weeks they'll go away and never bother us again. And that includes Shalcker, who I've recently decided doesn't need to exist anymore and effectively erased from this forum.

It's HILARIOUS though that Trump's most vocal defenders/apologists in this thread are, by far, Russians.

Of course in the end Trump is "just" the president, and far from exacerbating American divisions, his idiocy has only served to consolidate and harden Americans position on Russia.

The extended post-Trump era is going to be really bad for them, at the worst possible time taboo: Vladimir Putin will be getting quite up there in years and has no real succession plan (just like almost every Russian leader ever).

I'll side with a Democratic policy that makes their Russia policy some sort of experiment in how many things we can take away from Russia.

Why? Because we can. Because we feel like it.