Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Dug]

Hell, I thought Bakr al-Baghdadi got aced two years ago before this weekend.

Same I swear I've been reading articles about him dying in drone strikes multiple times over the past couple of years

[akris15]

Same I swear I've been reading articles about him dying in drone strikes multiple times over the past couple of years

Probably because for awhile there was an assumption that al-Baghdadi was a "Dread Pirate Roberts" situation going on.

[Tenlo]

Wait a second I thought ISIS was dead and buried??
/S

[Edge-]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/murray-...cy-protection/

COAL IS BACK, BABY!

In the bankruptcy business.

The coal company for one of Trump's biggest backers is going under.

Trump didn't save shit because you can't save an industry that's dying due to market forces without that evil socialism stuff.

[ringpriest]

@Skroe

To be clear, it isn’t progressives or even most center left Democrats treating Trump as a one off.

This isn’t a just partisan thing. This is rich people freaking out that there’s manifest popular energy that runs the real risk of actually forcing them to face consequences. They will try to rehabilitate the Trump presidency despite the fact he tore apart most of the illusions surrounding American “meritocracy”.

There's no need for the oligarchs to rehabilitate the Trump presidency - he has completed his primary job for them: the American populist right has been thoroughly discredited in the zeitgeist for a generation or more, and meanwhile the populist left will refuse to even communicate with the populist right for decades (at a minimum). Now we get to watch a couple of decades of oligarch-fighting, where in one corner you have the resource-extraction criminals (Russians, Saudis) and in the other you have Western capitalists (Soros through Thiel (the Kochs and Murdochs are more in line with the Russian-Saudi axis)), with the PRC oligarchs as a bit of a wild card (what legitimacy they have rests on their material success - they can't go all in on the resource-extraction crimelord route); all with a destructive layer of global warming *and* technology-abetted cultural disruption (it's going to be a very interesting century, our impending Jackpot).

[Dacien]

I've been conversing with Dacien for years at this point. First, he is insincere about judges. He uses them as a cloak. But his words in other settings make clear, in reality, it is really about Trump attacking people and institutions he doesn't like. He'll never admit to it, but he is all aboard the "I support Trump to own the libz" mentality.

One of my more fun moments in the past couple years of this moment was making him choke on the phrase "Sweet Sweet Justice". Somebody prematurely ejaculated, if you catch my drift.

I wholly believe there is little to nothing he has ever espoused that is legitimately conservative. more accurately, he is an anti-liberal reaction. He is chiefly defined by what he is against, than what he is for.

I would not engage him expecting a good faith discussion.

Oh I know what I'm for, and Trump ain't it. I mean, he says the right things sometimes and goes to the right events, and he makes choices I agree with at times (like Gorsuch), but he's not a man I can feel proud of as a leader. He certainly doesn't embody the values that I think are important. He's just not Hillary, and that's the best I could have hoped for in 2016.

I'm not trying to be provocative; that's how I feel. But at the same time, if I'm being honest, Trump's adversaries have gotten really dirty playing in the mud with him. And it's hard not to comment on that.

[Edge-]

and he makes choices I agree with at times (like Gorsuch)

Real talk: Why does Trump get any credit for doing what literally any Republican president would have done? This wasn't bold leadership. This wasn't a risk. This wasn't a new vision. He was a stock Federalist Society/Heritage Foundation candidate for the job that any Republican would have nominated.

He certainly doesn't embody the values that I think are important. He's just not Hillary, and that's the best I could have hoped for in 2016.

So he doesn't embody values that you think are important, but because he puts a conservative judge on the Supreme Court he's better than Hillary?

Because really, that's the most consistent "win" that I see people who claim they don't love Trump point to to defend their decision to support him over someone with a functional brain.

I'm not trying to be provocative; that's how I feel. But at the same time, if I'm being honest, Trump's adversaries have gotten really dirty playing in the mud with him. And it's hard not to comment on that.

Who's playing in the mud? How? Because there's an impeachment inquiry?

[Xeones]

if I'm being honest, Trump's adversaries have gotten really dirty playing in the mud with him. And it's hard not to comment on that.

You can call that being honest, but I'd prefer some example since I legitimately don't know what you're talking about.

[Redwyrm]

It's the same old same old. Republicans throw mud constantly and the press doesn't bat an eye. But the second a Democrat plays by the same rules it's... "WHAT HAPPENED TO CIVILITY IN POLITICS"

[Breccia]

What do I was going to make a really off-color joke here and Trump's poll numbers have in common?

They're both underwater in the suburbs.

Just 32 percent of all suburban voters now say they would definitely vote to re-elect the president, according to a new Grinnell College poll conducted by the Iowa-based pollster Ann Selzer. Another 14 percent said they would consider someone else, and 51 percent said they would definitely vote for a candidate other than Trump.

Trump’s poll numbers have never been stellar. He is the only president in modern history not to have a net-positive approval rating in any Gallup survey during his first term in office.

But the top line numbers — just 40 percent approve of Trump’s job performance, according to the Grinnell survey — hint at deeper problems for the president among key demographic groups. Among women who did not attend college, Trump’s favorable rating stands at just 46 percent; he won that group with 61 percent of the vote in 2016. Among suburban women, only a quarter, 26 percent, approve of Trump.

Suburban women especially appear motivated to make their disapproval felt: Eighty-eight percent of suburban women said they would definitely vote in the 2020 presidential election, ten points higher than voters overall.

The suburbs of the US remain heavily white. Losing the suburbs is a chip out of his base that will start spreading cracks.

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Hey remember when Trump just flat-out handed classified information to the Russians and everyone said "that's a bad idea" and the rabid fanbase said "he's allowed to do it and he's new because he's an outsider and shut your gob you, it's not like he was warning terrorists about US plans"? Ah, good times...good times...

Anyhow, Trump warned terrorists about US plans.

"That can't possibly be right".

Well, true. Trump warned terrorists about US plans, and also made shit up.

President Donald Trump painted a vivid picture for the world of the deadly U.S. military raid on ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, a raid that only a small number of people witnessed in real time.

A "beautiful" and "talented" dog got injured. A robot had been on standby to aid in the hunt for al-Baghdadi if needed. U.S. Special Operations Forces arrived in eight helicopters and were on the ground for about two hours. They entered al-Baghdadi's compound within seconds by blowing holes in the side of the wall. They chased al-Baghdadi into a web of underground tunnels — many of them dead ends — that they already knew existed. Before the U.S. forces left for the 70-minute, "very low and very, very fast" helicopter ride back along the same route from which they arrived, they captured some of al-Baghdadi's henchmen and seized "highly sensitive material and information" outlining the origin of ISIS and plans for future plots.

A few of those colorful details were wrong. Many of the rest were either highly classified or tactically sensitive, and their disclosure by the president made intelligence and military officials cringe, according to current and former U.S. officials.

A couple of the president's statements on Sunday were inaccurate or left U.S. officials wondering where he got his information, officials said. The president said when U.S. officials notified Russia it would be entering airspace in western Syria, they told the Russians, "We think you're going to be very happy." But that phrase was not said on the call with the Russians, a U.S. official said. Trump also said al-Baghdadi was "crying and screaming" as U.S. forces chased him down, but U.S. officials said they didn't hear those sounds, and Milley told reporters he doesn't know the source of the president's information on that.

"We agonized over what we would put in his briefings," one former senior White House official said, "because who knows if and when he's going to say something about it."

"He has no filter," the official added. "But also if he knows something, and he thinks it's going to be good to say or make him appear smarter or stronger, he'll just blurt it out."

The overarching concern about Trump's disclosures on the al-Baghdadi raid, officials said, is that he gave America's enemies details that could make intelligence gathering and similar military operations more difficult and more dangerous to pull off.

[Zaydin]

Here's GOP Orwellian spinmeister Frank Luntz whining about how horrible it was for people to boo Trump at the World Series.

My rebuttal to him: “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

― Theodore Roosevelt

[ParanoiD84]

Anyhow, Trump warned terrorists about US plans

Such a pretty dog that conan girl she did a amazing job along with all those special forces and she is recovering quick from what ive heard, though it's not uncommon for dogs to also get PTSD given the explosion and all but that can slowly be rehabilitated.

Give her a damn medal already.

[zenkai]

Trump acts like a teenager and you applaud it, so I don't know what your angle is here. Also, let me know when she drives a car into a group of people. Or shoots up a house of worship. Or sends bombs in the mail.

I don't think defending violence because you hate someone is ever a good idea.

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https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-m...loween-punched

A Florida teen showed her apparent disdain for President Trump when she allegedly punched a man who was dressed up as the commander in chief at a Halloween fair over the weekend, according to authorities.

The 14-year-old girl walked up to the man, who was standing on line with his family Saturday night for a haunted house at the Collier County Fairgrounds, and punched him in the jaw, officials said.

Lol! Another example of Trump hate getting the best of a person. Wonder what level of meltdown she will have if he gets reelected?

That's sad that some people are like that

[Molis]

An added dose of pathetic, just for fun.
The White House are now trying to claim that there were 'some people cheering' when Trump was booed at the baseball

I saw them. They were standing next to him!

[pathora44]

Here's GOP Orwellian spinmeister Frank Luntz whining about how horrible it was for people to boo Trump at the World Series.

My rebuttal to him: “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

― Theodore Roosevelt

If Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt were alive to see what has become of the Republican party I believe they would beat the ever living shit out of every Republican on Capitol Hill.

[nonameelf]

[URL="https://www.indy100.com/article/trump-ukraine-president-volodymyr-zelensky-russian-mistake-9175506"]


Think someone has Russia on the brain.


An added dose of pathetic, just for fun.
The White House are now trying to claim that there were 'some people cheering' when Trump was booed at the baseball

Yes, there were people cheering.

Because the screen went: military servicemen->Trump->military servicemen. So yeah, technically correct, the boos were sandwiched by cheers.

[Edge-]

Such a pretty dog that conan girl she did a amazing job along with all those special forces and she is recovering quick from what ive heard, though it's not uncommon for dogs to also get PTSD given the explosion and all but that can slowly be rehabilitated.

Give her a damn medal already.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...l-Baghdadi.jpg

Worth noting.

1. That's not the actual dog. That's just the breed of dog.

2. That breed is apparently classified, at least until Trump tried to use them to score some political points.

[ParanoiD84]

Worth noting.

1. That's not the actual dog. That's just the breed of dog.

2. That breed is apparently classified, at least until Trump tried to use them to score some political points.

Ah alright thanks good to know before i link that all over the place : ) thought that was the actual dog i probably could have read into it some more.

[Edge-]

Ah alright thanks good to know before i link that all over the place : ) thought that was the actual dog i probably could have read into it some more.

Folks did, because why wouldn't they?

But a few journalists checked with their own military sources who confirmed that while that was the right breed (which was classified), that's not the right dog.

[ParanoiD84]

Folks did, because why wouldn't they?

But a few journalists checked with their own military sources who confirmed that while that was the right breed (which was classified), that's not the right dog.

Roger that, lovely breed though and they do a great job following those special forces around risking their lives, not that they know any better but still very loyal dogs and i hope she/he didnt get PTSD.