Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Trunksee]

Eh. I can't really see a problem treating Trump supporters as assholes or whatnot. Not when the guy they support does things like keeping the concentration camps open and deny the people in 'em doctor visits, or pardon and celebrate/invite to his golf/hotel thingy a guy who pretty much committed war crimes.

Because a lot of the time just saying your pro second amendment, pro the wall and strict immigration policies, pro following the religious values our country was founded on and anti political correctness you are call whatever you want to call a trump supporter so why fight it. Its easier to defend him than defend the fact that you believe in all his ideals but not his behavior. If he is the best chance to keep a person with those ideals in power of course we defend him.

[Machismo]

Because a lot of the time just saying your pro second amendment, pro the wall and strict immigration policies, pro following the religious values our country was founded on and anti political correctness you are call whatever you want to call a trump supporter so why fight it. Its easier to defend him than defend the fact that you believe in all his ideals but not his behavior. If he is the best chance to keep a person with those ideals in power of course we defend him.

Well, when you are opposing liberty, capitalism, gay rights, and wanting to keep brown people out at all costs, then people can easily make accurate assessments about you.

[Kujako]

Because a lot of the time just saying your pro second amendment

"take guns first and worry about due process second" - Trump

pro the wall and strict immigration policies

I'm sure the check from Mexico will clear any day now.

pro following the religious values our country was founded on

It was founded on freedom of religion, not a theocratic and hypocritical version of christianity.

anti political correctness

So "showing the libs" by doing self destructive things.

[Trunksee]

Well, when you are opposing liberty, capitalism, gay rights, and wanting to keep brown people out at all costs, then people can easily make accurate assessments about you.

Why does it have anything to do with brown people? It has to do with being against uneducated people with different values than our founders. Gay rights o fail to see this as it has been given many times to be a state matter. Liberty... Really, really... I fail to see how that has any relevance here. The brown comment is a great talking point but total bullshit. If you increase the blue collar workforce with immigrants wages go stagnant. Trying working a blue collar job like construction and youll see where im coming from.

[Dontrike]

Because a lot of the time just saying your pro second amendment, pro the wall and strict immigration policies, pro following the religious values our country was founded on and anti political correctness you are call whatever you want to call a trump supporter so why fight it. Its easier to defend him than defend the fact that you believe in all his ideals but not his behavior. If he is the best chance to keep a person with those ideals in power of course we defend him.

The problem is you support a man with no ideals that only tells you he has ideals. There's no reason to trust Trump about anything. Honestly, what ideals do you think that man upholds?

[Machismo]

Why does it have anything to do with brown people? It has to do with being against uneducated people with different values than our founders. Gay rights o fail to see this as it has been given many times to be a state matter. Liberty... Really, really... I fail to see how that has any relevance here. The brown comment is a great talking point but total bullshit. If you increase the blue collar workforce with immigrants wages go stagnant. Trying working a blue collar job like construction and youll see where im coming from.

Our founders believed that women and minorities were property. I sure as hell hope you have different values than they do. As for your stance on gay rights, I'll point to this thread:

If its legal in canada noone is stopping them from going there and living there. Im sick of my country wating its time on this. Get over it we have bigger problems than gay marriage. Noone is stopping you from being gay. You still have the same right as me to marry the opposite sex. Its your choice not to. Single people like i earlier read get it worse and to me are more descriminated against than you get over it and stop wasting our time. We are better off fighting over how to we fix this country and this isnt it. Im so sick of this.well were not equal. Yes you are you have the same right as me to be with whoever you want, get over yourself you being gay is not a government issue its yours.

Its not a states' rights matter, because the 14th Amendment is a thing, whether you like it, or not.

Thanks for admitting you hate capitalism.

[Kujako]

The problem is you support a man with no ideals that only tells you he has ideals. There's no reason to trust Trump about anything. Honestly, what ideals do you think that man upholds?

Reminder: Trump stole someone else's coat of arms, removed the word "integrity" and replaced it with "Trump". Says it all really...

[Dontrike]

It has to do with being against uneducated people with different values than our founders.

Okay, this bit of insanity is pretty funny. In no way was it about them having different values as those immigrants tend to be just as religious as those you say share the same ideals as Trump. Try again.

Gay rights o fail to see this as it has been given many times to be a state matter.

How is it a state matter?

If you increase the blue collar workforce with immigrants wages go stagnant.

Speaking of talking points. Wages are stagnant right now and I guarantee you it has nothing to do with someone from Mexico.

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Reminder: Trump stole someone else's coat of arms, removed the word "integrity" and replaced it with "Trump". Says it all really...

So Trump's patron saint is one of thieves? I see, that's the ideals that they love Trump for.

[Trunksee]

"take guns first and worry about due process second" - Trump

I'm sure the check from Mexico will clear any day now.

It was founded on freedom of religion, not a theocratic and hypocritical version of christianity.

So "showing the libs" by doing self destructive things.

First of all I dont care who pays for the wall. I dont believe any republican does. I would prefer it come out of defense spending. Second has Trump attempted one piece of gun legislation? And yes the country was founded on christian values. It was founded on the right to practice religions that coincided with the law. You cant practice satanism with human sacrifice. Islamic values were not a part of this country when founded and more than likely was not a big talking point when the constitution was put in place.

[Machismo]

First of all I dont care who pays for the wall. I dont believe any republican does. I would prefer it come out of defense spending. Second has Trump attempted one piece of gun legislation? And yes the country was founded on christian values. It was founded on the right to practice religions that coincided with the law. You cant practice satanism with human sacrifice. Islamic values were not a part of this country when founded and more than likely was not a big talking point when the constitution was put in place.

Trump banned bump stocks. There, that was easy. But hey, nice try in moving goalposts.

Thanks for continuously proving people right about you.

[Trunksee]

Okay, this bit of insanity is pretty funny. In no way was it about them having different values as those immigrants tend to be just as religious as those you say share the same ideals as Trump. Try again.



How is it a state matter?



Speaking of talking points. Wages are stagnant right now and I guarantee you it has nothing to do with someone from Mexico.

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So Trump's patron saint is one of thieves? I see, that's the ideals that they love Trump for.

Islam no matter what anyone wants to tell you is not a peaceful religion. They are just like the crusaders in the middle east. They want everyone to follow their ideals with violence. And yes in the construction and manufacturing fields wages are stagnant because the maket is being flooded by immigrants. I live it everyday. Why pay a good wage when an immigrant will do it for less. And its definitely not mexicans coming here in large numbers. Its elsalvador, Guatemala, hondorus, cape Verde, and a multitude of other countries. There even a lot of eastern europeans now flooding the market with a labor force that will take less money.

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Trump banned bump stocks. There, that was easy. But hey, nice try in moving goalposts.

Thanks for continuously proving people right about you.

Bump stocks is not a gun its a mod to make a gun an automatic thats already illegal in most states. Thats not taking the gun away just the sale of a mod. It also wasnt a repossession of bump stocks.

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Maybe learn how guns and the modifications you can do to them work first.


Infracted.

[Machismo]

Islam no matter what anyone wants to tell you is not a peaceful religion. They are just like the crusaders in the middle east. They want everyone to follow their ideals with violence. And yes in the construction and manufacturing fields wages are stagnant because the maket is being flooded by immigrants. I live it everyday. Why pay a good wage when an immigrant will do it for less. And its definitely not mexicans coming here in large numbers. Its elsalvador, Guatemala, hondorus, cape Verde, and a multitude of other countries. There even a lot of eastern europeans now flooding the market with a labor force that will take less money.

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Bump stocks is not a gun its a mod to make a gun an automatic thats already illegal in most states. Thats not taking the gun away just the sale of a mod. It also wasnt a repossession of bump stocks.

Once again, thanks for proving everyone right about you. You are whining that you cannot compete, so you want the government to push socialism to protect you. God, your comments are perfects.

You say they want everyone to follow their ideals, and that is LITERALLY what you have already called for.

So, you oppose gun rights, and capitalism, thanks for all of this.

Keep moving those goalposts. By your logic, you should have no problem with states banning the sale of all ammunition and magazines, since that's not actually restricting guns in your eyes. I think some of the actual pro-2A folks may want to have a word with you.

[Trunksee]

Once again, thanks for proving everyone right about you. You are whining that you cannot compete, so you want the government to push socialism to protect you. God, your comments are perfects.

You say they want everyone to follow their ideals, and that is LITERALLY what you have already called for.

So, you oppose gun rights, and capitalism, thanks for all of this.

Keep moving those goalposts. By your logic, you should have no problem with states banning the sale of all ammunition and magazines, since that's not actually restricting guns in your eyes. I think some of the actual pro-2A folks may want to have a word with you.

A bump stock takes a legal gun and makes it illegal. There is no reason for automatic weapons. I am not full 2A but the idea that removing guns with a certain color and a pistol grip aka an assault rifle is asinine. Most people cant even tell you what an assault rifle is. And yes id be fine with smaller magazines but the way people around here act it either take them all eventually or do nothing.
Btw ots not capitalism thats exploitation of a workforce. Supply and demand doesnt include people breaking the law to hire illegals aliens. Yes its expensive and time consuming to do it legally as we are now an established country and should focus on our own first. If you want to use people who come through mexico move your company there. That i am actually fine with.

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Its not socialism btw its nationalism. Take care of your own first.

[Machismo]

A bump stock takes a legal gun and makes it illegal. There is no reason for automatic weapons. I am not full 2A but the idea that removing guns with a certain color and a pistol grip aka an assault rifle is asinine. Most people cant even tell you what an assault rifle is. And yes id be fine with smaller magazines but the way people around here act it either take them all eventually or do nothing.
Btw ots not capitalism thats exploitation of a workforce. Supply and demand doesnt include people breaking the law to hire illegals aliens. Yes its expensive and time consuming to do it legally as we are now an established country and should focus on our own first. If you want to use people who come through mexico move your company there. That i am actually fine with.

No, before Trump's ban, it did not make it illegal. They were legal, until Trump banned them. Stop lying.

And no, you are literally opposing capitalism. You are upset that a company wants to hire someone who is willing to do the same job for less money than you do, so you want the government to step in and stop it. Make them legal, then you should have nothing to bitch about when it comes to "illegal." Oh wait, you are the one who wants to make them illegal. Yes, that's you citing the existence of a law to justify the law. As for your last sentence, that reveals everything... it's about keeping foreigners out. Yes, admitting to xenophobia is definitely making my case for me, thanks.

So, to sum up, you have opposed gun rights, opposed capitalism, opposed gay rights, pushed Islamophobia, and touted xenophobic, nationalistic beliefs. Does that pretty much cover it?

BTW, it's not just nationalism, it's national socialism. And, nationalism and socialism both go against capitalism. They both restrict the marketplace in favor of something else. In your case, that's supporting socialism, xenophobia, homophobia, and Islamophobia.

[Draco-Onis]

A bump stock takes a legal gun and makes it illegal. There is no reason for automatic weapons. I am not full 2A but the idea that removing guns with a certain color and a pistol grip aka an assault rifle is asinine. Most people cant even tell you what an assault rifle is. And yes id be fine with smaller magazines but the way people around here act it either take them all eventually or do nothing.
Btw ots not capitalism thats exploitation of a workforce. Supply and demand doesnt include people breaking the law to hire illegals aliens. Yes its expensive and time consuming to do it legally as we are now an established country and should focus on our own first. If you want to use people who come through mexico move your company there. That i am actually fine with.

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Its not socialism btw its nationalism. Take care of your own first.

You don't seem to know what capitalism is market forces control labor, supply and demand without government restrictions laws such as not hiring illegals is government interfering. The free market decides and works everything out what you are asking for is socialism where government dictates things for businesses.

[Machismo]

You don't seem to know what capitalism is market forces control labor, supply and demand without government restrictions laws such as not hiring illegals is government interfering. The free market decides and works everything out what you are asking for is socialism where government dictates things for businesses.

I doubt he realizes that he is arguing against himself.

[Trunksee]

You don't seem to know what capitalism is market forces control labor, supply and demand without government restrictions laws such as not hiring illegals is government interfering. The free market decides and works everything out what you are asking for is socialism where government dictates things for businesses.

Umm it already does. I want the laws enforced. We have laws that dictate that you cannot use illegals so gosh darn it enforce it. Dont screw around with all this deportation crap in courts, if they are caught send them out. Start enforcing e verify. All we have to do is enforce the law.

[Machismo]

Umm it already does. I want the laws enforced. We have laws that dictate that you cannot use illegals so gosh darn it enforce it. Dont screw around with all this deportation crap in courts, if they are caught send them out. Start enforcing e verify. All we have to do is enforce the law.

Those laws go against capitalism... and this is where you cannot seem to figure shit out.

Thanks for admitting you also oppose due process. Man, you are racking them up, today.

I want to make this next part very, very clear. The existence of a law is never a justification for that law. EVER.

[Draco-Onis]

Umm it already does. I want the laws enforced. We have laws that dictate that you cannot use illegals so gosh darn it enforce it. Dont screw around with all this deportation crap in courts, if they are caught send them out. Start enforcing e verify. All we have to do is enforce the law.

And what does that have to do with the fact that those laws are socialism? frankly I think the law is idiotic if you want to stop businesses from hiring illegal immigrants put heavy fines on them but that won't happen because that would mean Trump's own businesses would have to pay a huge fine. The reason they put it all on the illegal immigrants is because they don't want to tackle the problem but again it is socialism.

[Trunksee]

I doubt he realizes that he is arguing against himself.

Yall love to pick and choose and label everything. Fine its a socialism structure fine call it what you want its already in place. Labeling everything with these strict contrived words to fit your agenda to just make people twist and turn on a word because its what one side calls the other is just a way to try and control the narrative. If its a socialist idea fine whatever. Its a US law thats already on the books.