Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Skulltaker]

I believe I said this before, but with how people believe it is impending/inevitable, wouldn't Trump being incarcerated after leaving be a very bad look for the US to the rest of the world?

No, him getting 70 million votes is what made you look bad to the world. Him being elected in the first place made you look worse. Locking him up for life is what would redeem you somewhat.

[Felya]

I believe I said this before, but with how people believe it is impending/inevitable, wouldn't Trump being incarcerated after leaving be a very bad look for the US to the rest of the world?

How is brining powerful men to justice, a bad look?

[Orange Joe]

I believe I said this before, but with how people believe it is impending/inevitable, wouldn't Trump being incarcerated after leaving be a very bad look for the US to the rest of the world?

Why would it look bad in the first place?

[Breccia]

I believe I said this before, but with how people believe it is impending/inevitable, wouldn't Trump being incarcerated after leaving be a very bad look for the US to the rest of the world?

I think it would look worse if we let a criminal roam free. We're nowhere near perfecgt, but at least not Russia, for crying out loud.

You don't want criminals to roam free purely for the sake of image, do you?

[Adam Jensen]

Maybe... just maybe, you Trumpsters should have thought about that, before supporting a corrupt racist.

That is not an activity Trumpsters are known to partake in.

[Machismo]

That is not an activity Trumpsters are known to partake in.

In reality, they did think about it, and they decided that they support racism, corruption, and sexual assault.

It's not like any of the things we know about trump were ever really a secret.

[pathora44]

No, him getting 70 million votes is what made you look bad to the world. Him being elected in the first place made you look worse. Locking him up for life is what would redeem you somewhat.

No voting him into office the first time was a real bad look because the ones who voted for him could at least make the excuse that he wasn't a politician. What is a worse look is after living through 4 years of incompetence, corruption, racism, pettiness, pure hatred for all who aren't completely loyal, and seeing a wanna be dictator and his cronies try and fuck up every institution that made this country and even more people then the last election saying they want more of that.

[wunksta]

I believe I said this before, but with how people believe it is impending/inevitable, wouldn't Trump being incarcerated after leaving be a very bad look for the US to the rest of the world?

No one is above the law.

[Blur4stuff]

Trump going to jail would be the single most powerful thing for improving the US world image and trust in democracy.

[shimerra]

I believe I said this before, but with how people believe it is impending/inevitable, wouldn't Trump being incarcerated after leaving be a very bad look for the US to the rest of the world?

While I understand that for people like you Trump could sexually assault/murder a family member in front of you and not lose your support to the rest of the world it looks far worse to let a criminal get away with their crimes just because of a position they held, especially a government one. And given Trump's unpopularity on the world stage/with his fellow heads of state if anything it'll be a massive boost to US standing.

[alexw]

I believe I said this before, but with how people believe it is impending/inevitable, wouldn't Trump being incarcerated after leaving be a very bad look for the US to the rest of the world?

No.

Jailing known criminals, especially if they are politically powerful and well connected, shows the rest of the world that the system is uncorrupted and functioning as it should.

When politically powerful criminals get away with their crimes because of who they are, that's when the rest of the world knows you've become / are becoming corrupted, and are a failed democracy like you see in Africa or South America where the rule of law no longer applies.

[zorkuus]

I believe I said this before, but with how people believe it is impending/inevitable, wouldn't Trump being incarcerated after leaving be a very bad look for the US to the rest of the world?

A banana republic where the rich and powerful are above the law is not a positive look.

[PhaelixWW]

It's hard not to imagine Trump foaming at the mouth with tweets "presidential correspondence" like these.




On a side note, what's the over/under on Trump giving himself another stroke before Inauguration Day?

[Adramalech]

Trump going to jail would be the single most powerful thing for improving the US world image and trust in democracy.

I concur. As an outsider, having Trump pay for all his bullshit would show that the US does, in fact, still respect their own laws and that indeed, no one is above the law, not even a former president, and as such, we can assume that the shitshow was indeed a product of electing a known failure.

I am under no illusions here. Even if Trump does get punished, it won't be to the extent he deserves. House arrest or one of those rich people prisons that look more like a luxurious hotel than a prison. His children and other people in his orbit, however...

[Easo]

BBC reports that Trump has raised 200 million USD for post-election legal battles:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55192699

President Donald Trump's campaign and the Republican National Committee say they have raised $207.5m (£154m) since the US election last month.

Since October - including the weeks running up to the vote - Trump committees have raised a total of nearly half a billion dollars.

The money is funding legal challenges to Democrat Joe Biden's victory.

Mr Trump has refused to concede and alleges without evidence that Mr Biden's win was the result of fraud.

Over the same period, Mr Biden's campaign has raised $112m, according to a filing with the Federal Elections Commission.

Mind numbing numbers and for what, exactly? I am fascinated that rich donors still provide that much cash to Donny.
P.S.
Let's be fair - the opposing camp gathered quite impressive number too. USA elections system really is too bloated with cash.

[Breccia]

I am fascinated that rich donors still provide that much cash to Donny.

I don't think they did. This feels more of a "people who already gave $5 gave another $5" than "people who are good with money think investing in Trump is a good idea".

It could also be "GOP candidates give out of their own campaign to help Trump pay his debts".

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Ivanka Trump deposed.

UPDATE: DC attorney general: Ivanka Trump 'highly misleading' on lawsuit deposition.

Earlier in the day, Ivanka confirmed that she was deposed as part of an investigation into the use of inauguration funds.

"This week I spent 5+ hours in a deposition with the Democrat D.C. AG’s office where they questioned the rates charged by the Trump Hotel at the inauguration," Trump said in a statement, which she posted to social media. "I shared with them an email from 4 years ago where I sent instructions to the hotel to charge 'a fair market rate.'"

"This ‘inquiry’ is another politically motivated demonstration of vindictiveness & waste of taxpayer dollars," Ivanka added.

Racine said that he did not agree with Trump's public comments on the matter.

“With all due respect to Ivanka Trump, what she put out today was highly misleading, and at best, part of the story,” Racine said during an interview with MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow.

Racine told Maddow that Stephanie Winston Wolkoff, a former adviser to first lady Melania Trump, expressed concerns about how much the hotel was looking to charge the inauguration committee.

Wolkoff, who was on the inauguration planning team, suggested price caps on the rental fee. Racine shared the email on Twitter, dated Dec. 17, 2016.

And we've shared that email here. I will conclude with Racine's tweet on the matter.

We filed suit after gathering evidence that the Presidential Inaugural Committee knowingly entered into a grossly overpriced contract with the Trump Hotel.

Any claim to the contrary is incorrect.

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The deaths surge from Thanksgiving is probably going to be right before Christmas. Happy Holidays.

Pfft. You and @Benggaul sound just like Fauci.

We have not yet seen the post-Thanksgiving peak.

That’s the concerning thing, because the numbers in and of themselves are alarming. And the thing that concerns me is that abuts right on the Christmas holiday, as people start to travel and shop and congregate.

[Adam Jensen]

It's hard not to imagine Trump foaming at the mouth with tweets "presidential correspondence" like these.




On a side note, what's the over/under on Trump giving himself another stroke before Inauguration Day?

The man is a deranged lunatic who has no capability of determining fiction from reality at this point. He should be (and won't be) 25th Amendmented out of office.

Seriously, wherever he ends up in the next few years, until his death he'll be ranting about how he won the 2020 election and how it was stolen from him.

Trump is broken. 2020 broke him.

It'd be sad if he wasn't such a massive fucking douchebag.

[Zan15]

BBC reports that Trump has raised 200 million USD for post-election legal battles:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55192699



Mind numbing numbers and for what, exactly? I am fascinated that rich donors still provide that much cash to Donny.
P.S.
Let's be fair - the opposing camp gathered quite impressive number too. USA elections system really is too bloated with cash.

Bah this aint rich donors, its poor slubs in the sticks....the same people who get suckered into giving into religious organizations when they have so very little

[Redwyrm]

Bah this aint rich donors, its poor slubs in the sticks....the same people who get suckered into giving into religious organizations when they have so very little

Sadly my mother is probably one of those suckers. I can't even go to her facebook page and had to unfollow her almost immediately. She's religious but not fanatical, watches fox news and reposts stuff about praying for Trump and how blessed we are to have Melania as first lady. And of course the democratic memes that are in no way Christian but don't let that stop her.

I don't ever discuss politics with her. The closest it gets is discussing the covid pandemic and how she's not sure the numbers that are being reported are as high as people say (counting patients multiple times, attributing normal deaths to covid to boost the numbers, etc.)

She finally backed off that a little when her god-niece got the virus and it laid her out for weeks (and she is still dealing with it)

Ugh, family

[Breccia]

Trump fires half the Pentagon advisory board and puts Lewandowski, yes that one, on the board instead.

I'm serious.