Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Xeones]

Have I got this wrong? Would there really be support for him in 2024?

Yes, he has a support base completely divorced from reality. They genuinely believe the election was stolen.

[Paranoid Android]

Do you think there has been enough attention on Christopher Miller and the Pentagon's repeated refusal to allow the National Guard to protect the Capitol and Congress? I agree with @HC_Richardson -- we need to know more. A lot more. https://t.co/ZZ8ApZhRcX https://t.co/VwUq8z4dhX

https://twitter.com/markmobility/sta...338270721?s=19

So if people remember, I forgot, Trump basically replaced every senior Department of Defense head with toadies.

The conclusion and why need another impeachment trial is the National Guard was intentionally delayed. I read where the Capitol Police did more or less immediately call for the National Guard at 12:30 but the Guard did not deploy til around 5:30.

[Pann]

Yes, he has a support base completely divorced from reality. They genuinely believe the election was stolen.

Some most definitely are, but are there really enough people who believe this to give him a realistic shot at being elected?

I'm not saying you're wrong but I really find it hard to believe that after everything he has done there would be enough people who would forgive the last week.

[Zaktar]

Some most definitely are, but are there really enough people who believe this to give him a realistic shot at being elected?

I'm not saying you're wrong but I really find it hard to believe that after everything he has done there would be enough people who would forgive the last week.

Why take that chance if it can be avoided?

[Pann]

Why take that chance if it can be avoided?

Fair enough, I can certainly understand that point of view. I just find it shocking that after everything the prospect that Trump could run again is even considered.

[Xeones]

Some most definitely are, but are there really enough people who believe this to give him a realistic shot at being elected?

I'm not saying you're wrong but I really find it hard to believe that after everything he has done there would be enough people who would forgive the last week.

This election should have been a repudiation of him, instead he is the second most voted for candidate in US history. Don't expect normal values from his supporters, "So what if he's a traitor he tells it like it is!"

[cubby]

I'm psoitive he's considered it.

I believe Pence threatened Trump into that "not really an apology not really a condemnation" video by swinging the 25th like an executioner's axe. Problem is, once you say "call off the mob or you're removed" and Trump posted the video, you pretty much need to keep your end of the deal...or he just orders another murderous mob. Once Trump is removed from office, the threat of the 25th stops working.

Besides, Trump has to know he can't pardon himself. Yes, he's a narcissist to the point of mental illness, but he also knows being in prison for life blows. Pence will be President anyhow.

Pence is definitely considering it. And Trump is still trying to post his lies about the election and calls to "make it right". There are some serious issues with the 25th because so many cabinet members are acting or recently resigned. I believe the acting head can sign in their place, but I'm not sure. Neither is SCOTUS.

And interestingly, if Pence goes the route of the 25th, he does not become the 46th President, and therefore does not get all the perks of being a "former" president.

[draynay]

Look how much damage he is doing after losing an election, giving him another chance is folly.

[Pann]

This election should have been a repudiation of him, instead he is the second most voted for candidate in US history. Don't expect normal values from his supporters, "So what if he's a traitor he tells it like it is!"

True, and I think that had Trump acknowledged Biden's win, blaming the result on COVID then he would have had a very good chance in 2024 but surely the last week must have changed that?

[Kaleredar]

Some most definitely are, but are there really enough people who believe this to give him a realistic shot at being elected?

I'm not saying you're wrong but I really find it hard to believe that after everything he has done there would be enough people who would forgive the last week.

The problem is that it may end up like the 2016 election. Trump never had the majority of the GOP’s support as a candidate; he was merely the single most popular out of the GOPs candidates split among four or five candidates. And because the GOP exist in such lock-step as a party, they all fell behind supporting trump for fear of what nebulous evil things Hillary would do. And millions of GOP voters did the same thing in 2020 fearing some “Biden socialist takeover.” And while the 2020 election wasn’t close from a numbers sense, you could see how it was fairly precipitously based on a handful of counties voting in Biden’s favor due to the nonsense that is the electoral college. In essence, people don’t want to even entertain the chance trump could be re-elected. People thought it was impossible the first time; look where we are now.

I’m far less worried bout him running as a third party candidate; he’d likely draw off votes of the republicans and hand the democrats an east win. That’s why the GOP likely doesn’t want him able to run.

Plus, who knows what him running again could do to incite even more violence.

[jonnysensible]

And yet, they want the government to take over and control social media...

socialists dont want that bro

[Pann]

There’s enough people that will vote Republican just so a Democratic doesn’t get elected, no matter who that Republican is.

So, yes, there’s definitely enough people that will vote for him again, despite what happened at the Capital.

Don't get me wrong, we suffer from voters that will vote for anyone (or anything) as long as the correct coloured rosette is pinned on them and I suppose you can point to the 2019 election where people ignored Boris Johnson's dodginess but this... this is a whole other level... I just couldn't see someone who incited an assault on our parliament, especially when 5 people died, having any chance whatsoever of standing for election. I assumed that the US would be the same.

[Machismo]

socialists dont want that bro

They want the government to take over and control plenty of other things...

[Pann]

The problem is that it may end up like the 2016 election. Trump never had the majority of the GOP’s support as a candidate; he was merely the single most popular out of the GOPs candidates split among four or five candidates. And because the GOP exist in such lock-step as a party, they all fell behind supporting trump for fear of what nebulous evil things Hillary would do. And millions of GOP voters did the same thing in 2020 fearing some “Biden socialist takeover.” And while the 2020 election wasn’t close from a numbers sense, you could see how it was fairly precipitously based on a handful of counties voting in Biden’s favor due to the nonsense that is the electoral college. In essence, people don’t want to even entertain the chance trump could be re-elected. People thought it was impossible the first time; look where we are now.

I’m far less worried bout him running as a third party candidate; he’d likely draw off votes of the republicans and hand the democrats an east win. That’s why the GOP likely doesn’t want him able to run.

Plus, who knows what him running again could do to incite even more violence.

Thanks for the explanation, it makes a bit more sense to me now but I still think, perhaps naively, that impeachment or not Trump will not stand a chance both in terms of finding party support or enough people to vote for him.

[Ivanstone]

They want the government to take over and control plenty of other things...

The government is the people. Its not some nebulous alien entity that wants to slurp out your brains and control everything.

[jonnysensible]

They want the government to take over and control plenty of other things...

bruh a socialist would most likely want social networking infrastructure to be owned and controlled by the users (while users control thier own data) with governments only role to be subsidizing broadband. They would want new laws in place to remove corporate tech companies ability to privatise control, generate large profits, push ads, or spy on users.

Socialism is fundamentally about democratizing every aspect of your life for your own personal liberation.

Whereas Trump fanbois want top down ownership and complete control.

[PosPosPos]

They want the government to take over and control plenty of other things...

And you are surprised when I call you an anarchist because you say nutty things like this.

[Machismo]

The government is the people. Its not some nebulous alien entity that wants to slurp out your brains and control everything.

Technically, the Nazi government was "the people."

That doesn't mean I want it.

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bruh a socialist would most likely want social networking infrastructure to be owned and controlled by the users (while users control thier own data) with governments only role to be subsidizing broadband. They would want new laws in place to remove corporate tech companies ability to privatise control, generate large profits, push ads, or spy on users.

Socialism is fundamentally about democratizing every aspect of your life for your own personal liberation.

Whereas Trump fanbois want top down ownership and complete control.

That's the internet, so you have it.

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And you are surprised when I call you an anarchist because you say nutty things like this.

I don't much care if you call me an anarchist.

I just don't want government controlling every aspect of our lives, especially when private industry is more than capable of handling it.

[Edge-]

https://www.nj.com/sports/2021/01/pg...outputType=amp

Man, this is gonna hurt. Fomenting a coup has real repurcussions, not just losing your social media accounts.

The PGA will reportedly be stripping his Bedminster course from the PGA Championship in 2022.

Without social media or golf, what does Trump have left?

[Elegiac]

https://www.nj.com/sports/2021/01/pg...outputType=amp

Man, this is gonna hurt. Fomenting a coup has real repurcussions, not just losing your social media accounts.

The PGA will reportedly be stripping his Bedminster course from the PGA Championship in 2022.

Without social media or golf, what does Trump have left?