Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Shadowferal]

Most Americans see Trump's MAGA as threat to democracy: Reuters/Ipsos poll

[Bakis]

I would like for Trump to explain his rather odd fetish of keeping a ton of empty folders labeled with secrecy stamps in his basement.
"Ran out of ass wipe" is probably the most sane explanation he could come up with.

[Paranoid Android]

The article says four people have been named. Everyone refused.

If Trump and the DoJ don't agree on a name -- which seems highly likely, Trump knows an impartial candidate will sink him -- the judge, a Trump-appointed Louisiana judge, will pick one.

Of course, all of this is little more than a stall tactic. Executive privilege remains irrelevant for the context of Trump stealing documents. At best, this special master might say "this communication between Trump and the other insurrectionists is privileged, so the FBI can't read it until Biden personally brings up the crime exception".

So I posted and below is your reply to possibly what might happen and I wanted to continue the discussion.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post53900606

I wanted to reply that there was no doubt they were able to find a person who both parties agree with. So the part I was unsure about but from Rueters' article was now she can possibly appoint someone? Geez!

I want to say that this judge seems so unhinged that appealing from the start seemed like the best bet for DOJ and what others were saying. Idk if they are going to or this has no proceeded so they can't appeal outright.

The appeals I have read lead to the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals which has 5 Trump appointed judges. So let's say the worst and they favor Trump then next is SCOTUS. Oh Boy! Here SCOTUS may make new precedent by saying ex-Presidents have Executive Privilege, plain and simply. Worst case scenario here.

So is all this a delay tactic until 2024. We must never underestimate Trump and what seems incompetent lawyers. If they can kick this a whole 2 years down the line and wait for a Presidential election that of course all is lost.

[Levelfive]

So I posted and below is your reply to possibly what might happen and I wanted to continue the discussion.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post53900606

I wanted to reply that there was no doubt they were able to find a person who both parties agree with. So the part I was unsure about but from Rueters' article was now she can possibly appoint someone? Geez!

I want to say that this judge seems so unhinged that appealing from the start seemed like the best bet for DOJ and what others were saying. Idk if they are going to or this has no proceeded so they can't appeal outright.

The appeals I have read lead to the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals which has 5 Trump appointed judges. So let's say the worst and they favor Trump then next is SCOTUS. Oh Boy! Here SCOTUS may make new precedent by saying ex-Presidents have Executive Privilege, plain and simply. Worst case scenario here.

So is all this a delay tactic until 2024. We must never underestimate Trump and what seems incompetent lawyers. If they can kick this a whole 2 years down the line and wait for a Presidential election that of course all is lost.

That's exactly where we find ourselves with a corrupt judiciary, and no doubt the DoJ has made the same calculations--if they appeal, they run the risk that the Court(s) will again run interference and / or help Trump run out the clock. And as you note, it's entirely conceivable that they'll invent protections out of thin air for unprecedented assertions that Trump hasn't even made that would potentially create absolute havoc for the incumbent president's ability to, as the Archivist stated, "conduct current business." On the one hand, I'm in favor of the FedSoc judiciary continuing to make the case for its own gross corruption and illegitimacy; on the other hand, there's no evidence that Democrats collectively have the will for the necessary and proper judicial reform.

[Breccia]

Laura Ingraham is a vapid whore.

So we all know by now the WaPo story about Trump having nuclear secrets. FOX News had zero choice but to report on it as well.

Here's their defense, apparently: FBI leaks are bad.

"Wait, they didn't contradict the story?"

No. FOX News couldn't go toe-to-toe in a credibility fight with the Washington Post on their best day. Instead, Ingraham said that the DoJ was trying to ruin Trump with these leaks, and--

"Wait, isn't Trump ruining himself by committing these crimes? Isn't that the real problem?"

In a sane world, yes. Also, Ingraham mocked the WaPo reporter with

She was given information by either someone at the White House who was fed it ... but she's acting like she's Edward R. Murrow doing, like, gumshoe reporting here. She isn't doing anything. She's just being spoon-fed information.

"Has Ingraham done any gumshoe reporting?"

No.

"Does Ingraham know that having solid sources is a big part of being a reporter? Did she forget that she and other FOX hosts called Trump during the riot?"

It's a lot harder to be a hypocrite if you admit you're doing it.

"Would a reporter, by doing 'gumshoe reporting' breaking into Mar-a-Lago and finding nuclear secrets be multiple crimes itself?"

Yes.

Remember, FOX News has no defense for Trump. This is admission of such. What they have is wishing we didn't have proof Trump is a lying felon traitor.

[Gorsameth]

The FBI source probably wouldn't have leaked that Trump had another nations nuclear defence secrets at home if we didn't know he had some nuclear secrets to begin with. Which we know because Trump himself asked for the release of details about what the FBI took.

[Breccia]

The FBI source probably wouldn't have leaked that Trump had another nations nuclear defence secrets at home if we didn't know he had some nuclear secrets to begin with. Which we know because Trump himself asked for the release of details about what the FBI took.

I agree, but there's another option. WaPo's source could have been the FBI's source. A family member, friend, or employee that Trump trusted enough to show his totally illegal stolen nuclear secrets. Or, funny story, because Trump had them effectively lying around, it could be a hotel guest or employee whose name he doesn't even know. Some of that shit was in his desk.

Or I guess it could be some Secret Service agent, angry at Trump ruining his agency's good name.

[Gorsameth]

I agree, but there's another option. WaPo's source could have been the FBI's source. A family member, friend, or employee that Trump trusted enough to show his totally illegal stolen nuclear secrets. Or, funny story, because Trump had them effectively lying around, it could be a hotel guest or employee whose name he doesn't even know. Some of that shit was in his desk.

Or I guess it could be some Secret Service agent, angry at Trump ruining his agency's good name.

Wasn't that the rumour? that the FBI's source testifying that the documents were at Mar-A-Lago was a member of Trumps SS detail?

[Breccia]

As predicted, Bannon turns himself in.

Screaming into the wind this was 60 days to the election (an election he's not running in nor anyone's advisor in), Bannon faces multiple felonies, including money laundering NYState residents out of $730,000 which could get him five years. Each? Also conspiracy to defraud, which I'll remind everyone, his three co-conspirators all pled guilty in their federal trial, and that shit's evidence now.

Mr. Bannon took advantage of his donors' political views to secure millions of dollars which he then misappropriated. Mr. Bannon lied to his donors to enrich himself and his friend.

It is a crime to turn a profit by lying to donors, and in New York, you will be held accountable. As alleged, Stephen Bannon acted as the architect of a multi-million dollar scheme to defraud thousands of donors across the country -- including hundreds of Manhattan residents

-- New York State

Trump might have a teflon-based nickname for a reason: he's so fat, he likely eats directly out of the pan instead of waiting for a plate. But more and more of his teammates keep showing up in orange jumpsuits. At least with Bannon Trump tried...kind of, I mean, not much he could do with NYState charges themselves, but why didn't he pardon Bannon's co-conspirators?

Oh, and also, they didn't tell the IRS. Which strongly suggests they didn't tell their state tax officials, either. So Bannon might get even more charges added on later.

Oh, and also also, to address an earlier question:

Paul Manafort, Trump's one-time campaign boss, was charged with running a two-year scheme to obtain more than $19 million in residential mortgage loans based on fraudulent representations to various banks. The New York Court of Appeals ultimately threw out the case, deeming it too similar to Manafort's federal conviction and therefore double jeopardy.

In the state case against Bannon, double jeopardy is not expected to apply because a jury was never convened to weigh the federal fraud charges over "We Build the Wall."

Bannon can't claim double jeopardy, which says you can't be tried twice for the same crime, because he wasn't tried once for the same crime.

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Wasn't that the rumour?

There are many rumors. Most people don't like Trump, and his remaining circle of allies he hasn't discarded yet are all very Trumpian -- they'd sell out their own family to get ahead/avoid jail time. Maybe not Giuliani, but everyone else. The list of suspects is just too damn high.

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Fuck, I hit submit without hitting refresh.

Federal grand jury probing Trump PAC's formation, fundraising efforts

Almost forgot about that. Yeah, this seems to be about Trump misusing donations and keeping them for himself. Gosh, isn't that topical? Trump's PAC asked for a lot of money after Trump was found to be a felon traitor, and, well, Trump's not running for office, there are rules about what he can spend and how. Subpoenas are already going out. This story will develop.

[Edge-]

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/s...80416022937601

So Macro Rubio is trotting out the old "locker room talk" excuses.

Trump's apparent theft of hundreds/thousands of classified government documents is apparently "just a storage issue". A storage issue that happens to have some fairly serious federal laws around it, I guess.

"I don't think a fight over the storage of documents is worthy of what they've done."

Glad to hear it, Marco! Do you mind if I store operational data for the US navy in my closet for a while? How about the locations of all our nuclear weapons? I'll put that in the shed on the side of the house, it's got a door with a knob and everything so it's very secure. Surely there would be no security risks or anything because it's just about the storage of some documents.

[Breccia]

"I don't think a fight over the storage of documents is worthy of what they've done."

I think I should take the money in Marco Rubio's bank account, and put it in my house. What's the problem? It's just the storage.

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Okay, so, now that I have a few minutes and a working subscription to the NYTimes, it's time to talk about Trump's new fund raising legal problem.

A federal grand jury in Washington is examining the formation of — and spending by — a super PAC created by Donald J. Trump after his loss in the 2020 election as he was raising millions of dollars by baselessly asserting that the results had been marred by widespread voting fraud.

Yes just to be 100% clear, they are looking at his political fundraising after he lost the election, and therefore, was no longer a candidate.

According to subpoenas issued by the grand jury, the contents of which were described to The New York Times, the Justice Department is interested in the inner workings of Save America PAC, Mr. Trump’s main fund-raising vehicle after the election. Several similar subpoenas were sent on Wednesday to junior and midlevel aides who worked in the White House and for Mr. Trump’s presidential campaign.

Among the roughly half-dozen current and former Trump aides in the White House and the 2020 presidential campaign who are said to have received subpoenas this week were Beau Harrison, an aide to Mr. Trump in the White House and in his post-presidency, and William S. Russell, who similarly worked in the West Wing and now for Mr. Trump’s personal office, according to several people familiar with the events.

The new subpoenas appeared to have been issued by a different grand jury in Washington than the one that has been gathering evidence about the so-called fake electors plan, which has focused on questions surrounding pro-Trump lawyers like Rudolph W. Giuliani and John Eastman.

At least one of the new subpoenas bore the name of a veteran federal prosecutor in Washington who specializes in fraud cases, suggesting that this avenue of inquiry is devoted primarily to examining the spending and fund-raising at Mr. Trump’s super PAC.

At a hearing held in June by the House select committee investigating Jan. 6, Representative Zoe Lofgren, Democrat of California, laid out the panel’s account of how Save America PAC and Mr. Trump’s campaign raised $250 million after the election by claiming they were fighting widespread fraud when they knew there was none.

I won't pretend to know all the rules of campaign finances, after all, apparently spending $130,000 on a whore is somehow part of the bargain. But I do know that money taken in by an election campaign must be spent on that election campaign. Charging yourself rent and raising the rates is, apparently, completely allowed. But only if you're actually there and doing election stuff. Trump's PAC, well, wasn't.

Because of their very nature, campaign funds have to routinely turned over. If you lie on those filings, that's fraud, that's a felony, and goodbye. And, as Bannon was so kind enough to recently remind us, if you say you're running a charity, or a political campaign, and you just keep the money, that's also fraud. And while this is a federal grand jury, I fully expect NYState to get in line, because it very likely has its own laws that this also broke.

"Wouldn't that be double jeopardy?"

As we've seen, depends on who files and how. NYState could simply sue for the money the Trump campaign stole from its donors.

This is turning out to be an exceptionally shitty week for Trump, even by Trump standards. DWAC has...actually wait, hold on.

(checks news)

Okay DWAC has recovered some, but the meeting about the extension (still projected to fail) was pushed to today, so expect to hear more about that. People stuck with shares will actually be paid based on how much money DWAC has divided evenly, so, anyone who jumped in at $10 opening still wins, but most DWAC stockholders are expected to lose 50% of their investment. More importantly, CyberTrump 2077 has poor hardware, poor software, poor staff, is losing money, and everyone involved is a target of an SEC investigation.

Add that to what we now know about Trump having nuclear secrets and lying about it, Bannon being arrested, Barr mocking him in public, and his fundraising being subpoena'd, and this is a 10-car-pileup on Trump Street.

[Edge-]

https://twitter.com/noraneus/status/1567838109349339137

Another report on Michigan Republicans teaching people to work as "spies" or "undercover agents" because they're absolutely convinced there's widespread voter fraud that they believed happened in 2020, despite no evidence of it.

One loser affiiliated with this group already got physically escorted out of observing vote counting in the primary for failing to follow the rules, which apparently included repeatedly getting very close to counters. You hear him quickly say, "I told them that they are breaking the law..." but the report cuts off.

Not that we need to hear more, since Republicans think that the law is broken any time they lose anything or it doesn't go the way they want it to.

[Kaleredar]

https://twitter.com/noraneus/status/1567838109349339137

Another report on Michigan Republicans teaching people to work as "spies" or "undercover agents" because they're absolutely convinced there's widespread voter fraud that they believed happened in 2020, despite no evidence of it.

One loser affiiliated with this group already got physically escorted out of observing vote counting in the primary for failing to follow the rules, which apparently included repeatedly getting very close to counters. You hear him quickly say, "I told them that they are breaking the law..." but the report cuts off.

Not that we need to hear more, since Republicans think that the law is broken any time they lose anything or it doesn't go the way they want it to.

The unfortunate matter in all of this (well, one of many) is that while upper-echelon people in the GOP who push the great “election stolen” or voter fraud lies knowing they’re lies, you’re average Joe Schmoe Republican absolutely believes them.

[Poopymonster]

The unfortunate matter in all of this (well, one of many) is that while upper-echelon people in the GOP who push the great “election stolen” or voter fraud lies knowing they’re lies, you’re average Joe Schmoe Republican absolutely believes them.

Of course they will. They are right. They are correct. They are fighting for all that is good in the US. They can't be wrong.
Like the propaganda says "If God is on our side, who is on theirs?

[Breccia]

Recently, I said it's been a bad week for Trump.

I should have waited, like, ten fucking minutes.

Trump threatens to sue FOX News.

"Whoa, that's a major rift between the two! That doesn't sound like it can be just handwaved."

Oh, it gets better. Trump is threatening to sue FOX News, because he says aired a Lincoln Project ad.

The Perverts and Lowlifes of the Lincoln Project are back on, where else, Fox News. I thought they ran away to the asylum after their last catastrophic campaign, with charges made against them that were big time sleaze, and me getting many millions more votes in 2020 than I got in 2016.

The Paul Ryun run Fox only has high standards for ’Trump’ ads, but not for anyone else. The Perverts should not be allowed to ’false advertise,’ and Fox News should not allow it to happen. See you all in Court!!!

"Which ad?"

Oh, that's the best part.

None.

The Lincoln Project did get an ad out today on a local FOX affiliate, but not FOX News. Trump is, erm, let's say "confused". I recommend everyone here use this next time someone says something about Biden being forgetful. Trump can't even watch TV correctly.

"He still seems to be struggling with the concept of having fewer votes than Biden."

Yes. Since he brought it up recently, I feel it's something that should be asked of our local Trump supporters. I know, I thought it was decided, but Trump still seems to think there's some wiggle room.

"Okay, but, Perverts?"

Projection.

"It's capitalized."

He's projecting hard. Ivanka must have bent over to pick up something on the floor. Nuclear secrets, maybe. I vaguely remember some time ago the Lincoln Project maybe suggesting Trump wanted to bang his daughter, and showing a bunch of pictures to back it up. But the recent ad doesn't say anything about that at all. It says Trump lost the election.

Actually wait, I found it.



Description says this is the ad in question. There is no mention at all about women or children or sex, so "Perverts" is confirmed as projection. Instead, it says Trump told his followers that the election was stolen, to get campaign contributions, that he kept for himself.

"Trump is going to sue them for lying?"

Well, he's Trump, so no, probably not. Also, remember how a few hours ago I pointed out the federal investigation that Trump telling his followers that the election was stolen, to get campaign contributions, that he kept for himself? Yeah, you can't sue someone for lying when there's an ongoing criminal investigation into their claims. Slander and libel require the accusation to be knowingly false. An ongoing criminal investigation defuses that.

"The Lincoln Project must be responding with the same 'no comment' everyone else responds with."

Then you don't know the Lincoln Project.

Go for it, bitch. I double-dog-dare you.

Also...where will he find a lawyer?

Holy shit, this is a gaping, bleeding, self-inflicted injury. I can't wait to hear what Hannity thinks about this!

Just kidding. He'll pretend it never happened.

[gondrin]

https://twitter.com/noraneus/status/1567838109349339137

Another report on Michigan Republicans teaching people to work as "spies" or "undercover agents" because they're absolutely convinced there's widespread voter fraud that they believed happened in 2020, despite no evidence of it.

One loser affiiliated with this group already got physically escorted out of observing vote counting in the primary for failing to follow the rules, which apparently included repeatedly getting very close to counters. You hear him quickly say, "I told them that they are breaking the law..." but the report cuts off.

Not that we need to hear more, since Republicans think that the law is broken any time they lose anything or it doesn't go the way they want it to.

Well, the person pushing this was confronted by CNN and directly asked about it. I'll give you 3 guesses on what they did. Probably only need one.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...362207fe706173

Michigan Republican squirms when reporter confronts her about telling poll workers to 'act like spies'

In a clip shown on CNN on Thursday morning, the chair of the Wayne County Michigan Republican Party was forced to scramble after being confronted by the network's Drew Griffin over her previous advice to poll workers to "act like spies."

Republicans in the state are under fire after CNN obtained video of officials giving tips on breaking the law on election day, and that came back to haunt Cheryl Costantino, who was featured in the video that also contained appearances by 2020 election deniers.

In the video, when asked about cell phones, Costantino was seen telling workers, "I would say maybe just hide it or something, and maybe hide a small pad and a small pen or something like that because you need to take accurate notes," before responding to concerns about illegality by advising, "That's why you got to do it secretly."

Confronted by CNN's Griffin, the GOP leader tried to make light of her training "spy" comments aimed at interfering with voters casting their ballots.

Asked about her comments, she paused, before offering, "Well, to kind of reframe it and make it more fun and interesting."

She added, "As I said just, you know, instead of causing a bunch of scenes and things like that, just write it down, just kind of be like spies and let me, you know, let me know what's going on."

Ahh yes, good ole GOP thinking. When they want to commit a crime, lets just make it lighthearted, fun and interesting.

[Edge-]

Yeah, that's part of the clip in the tweet.

Jives with what we know of groups like Project Veritas, who desperately want to be super secret agent spies that are super cool operators. And also forget to hang up on the "subject" of a sting after leaving a voicemail and just have a planning session...also left on said voicemail. Or forget to log out of their LinkedIn accounts when lurking the pages of "subjects".

Republicans just desperately want to be cool action/spy movie stars as they decry how leftist and liberal and awful Hollywood is. It's their version of LARPing, but they don't realize they're even LARPing.

[gondrin]

You know, the best way to get into his head is to air this kind of stuff on whatever local cable network he uses for Mar-A-Lago as most local cable companies will interject their own commercials. That way only he and the local area sees it but nobody else does.

And to top it off, it is a cheaper way of doing this as the ad cost for local stuff is far less then trying to get it on a national network.

[Breccia]

You know, the best way to get into his head is to air this kind of stuff on whatever local cable network he uses for Mar-A-Lago as most local cable companies will interject their own commercials. That way only he and the local area sees it but nobody else does.

This is almost assuredly what happened. The Lincoln Project chased him around the country when he traveled doing exactly this.

[Edge-]

This is almost assuredly what happened. The Lincoln Project chased him around the country when he traveled doing exactly this.

At least they're delivering some laughs by triggering Trump. Because outside of that they're largely pretty fuckin useless at doing much more beyond hoovering up some liberal donor dollars because most of them probably can't find gainful employment within their former political party operations.